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It seems to me that the US gov’t wouldn’t have a hard time getting Apple to remove Telegram from the App Store. That seems like a pretty awful scenario for them

It seems to me that the US gov’t wouldn’t have a hard time getting Apple to remove Telegram from the App Store. That seems like a pretty awful scenario for them.

capableweb 7y ago
Not really, Telegram works as a web app and also, not that many people in the world actually use iPhones (at least outside of the US. In the US though, more people use iPhone than Android it seems)
- threeseed 7y ago
  1+ billion iPhones are in use worldwide with more people having them in China than the US. And the idea that people are going to simply switch from an iOS app to a web app is pretty laughable. Mobile web apps are by and large terrible experiences.
  - capableweb 7y ago
    Everything I can find on it, seems that Apple and iOS has around 10-25% market share and units shipped[1][2][3][4] In China specifically, it seems to be around 20%[5] And the idea of real people, having a real need for something in this very moment, is gonna care if they use a iOS app or a web app is pretty laughable too. Even with a worse user experience. - 1) https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share... - 2) https://www.statista.com/statistics/271496/global-market-share-held-by-smartphone-vendors-since-4th-quarter-2009/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/271496/global-market-sha... - 3) https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile - 4) https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide - 5) https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/china https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/china There is more over at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... as well that shows around the same number above too.
    - capableweb 7y ago
      My two comments in this thread is just showing information taken from other sources, but they are getting downvoted. There is almost no opinion in these comments, so why the downvotes?
    - skinnymuch 7y ago
      You’re saying it’s laughable to think people would not switch to a web app over an iOS app if the iOS app is no longer available? There’s no way the vast majority of users would switch. This would be the case for any sort of app. But especially for a chat app. Also, iOS users generally spend more money and I presume in cases like their China market share, are also higher net worth users. Losing iOS users would be more than just losing their small percent of the overall iOS/Android market share.
      - capableweb 7y ago
        "You’re saying it’s laughable to think people would not switch to a web app over an iOS app if the iOS app is no longer available?" No, I'm saying if there is a application that solves a real-world problem (like keeping track of where to protest about the future of your home or communication with people are not reachable elsewhere), people don't care if you open Safari and click on a bookmark or if they open a native application. As long as it works, people will use it in the way they can access it with their current device. "Losing iOS users would be more than just losing their small percent of the overall iOS/Android market share" Not sure how much that would actually effect the global market share.
lucb1e 7y ago
I wonder if my version from F-Droid would also be taken down (assuming they would bother sending a letter to F-Droid LLC).

It seems to me that the US gov’t wouldn’t have a hard time getting Apple to remove Telegram from the App Store. That seems like a pretty awful scenario for them.

capableweb 7y ago

Not really, Telegram works as a web app and also, not that many people in the world actually use iPhones (at least outside of the US. In the US though, more people use iPhone than Android it seems)

threeseed 7y ago
1+ billion iPhones are in use worldwide with more people having them in China than the US. And the idea that people are going to simply switch from an iOS app to a web app is pretty laughable. Mobile web apps are by and large terrible experiences.
- capableweb 7y ago
  Everything I can find on it, seems that Apple and iOS has around 10-25% market share and units shipped[1][2][3][4] In China specifically, it seems to be around 20%[5] And the idea of real people, having a real need for something in this very moment, is gonna care if they use a iOS app or a web app is pretty laughable too. Even with a worse user experience. - 1) https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share... - 2) https://www.statista.com/statistics/271496/global-market-share-held-by-smartphone-vendors-since-4th-quarter-2009/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/271496/global-market-sha... - 3) https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile - 4) https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide - 5) https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/china https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/china There is more over at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... as well that shows around the same number above too.
  - capableweb 7y ago
    My two comments in this thread is just showing information taken from other sources, but they are getting downvoted. There is almost no opinion in these comments, so why the downvotes?
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    You’re saying it’s laughable to think people would not switch to a web app over an iOS app if the iOS app is no longer available? There’s no way the vast majority of users would switch. This would be the case for any sort of app. But especially for a chat app. Also, iOS users generally spend more money and I presume in cases like their China market share, are also higher net worth users. Losing iOS users would be more than just losing their small percent of the overall iOS/Android market share.
    - capableweb 7y ago
      "You’re saying it’s laughable to think people would not switch to a web app over an iOS app if the iOS app is no longer available?" No, I'm saying if there is a application that solves a real-world problem (like keeping track of where to protest about the future of your home or communication with people are not reachable elsewhere), people don't care if you open Safari and click on a bookmark or if they open a native application. As long as it works, people will use it in the way they can access it with their current device. "Losing iOS users would be more than just losing their small percent of the overall iOS/Android market share" Not sure how much that would actually effect the global market share.

lucb1e 7y ago

I wonder if my version from F-Droid would also be taken down (assuming they would bother sending a letter to F-Droid LLC).