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Telegram as a corporation seems very determined to evade that reach, and appears to have the resources to pull it off.

by ttsda 7y ago

emilfihlman 7y ago
Exactly this. Given how they have evaded Russia for a long time now, Murica must have something else in their assets to exert control over them.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
  Basically to evade American reach, you need to have support from Russia and/or China. If you don't have that support, you are going to have a very hard time.
  - threeseed 7y ago
    And Russia and China are hardly the type of countries who are keen to support a secure messaging platform.
    - favorited 7y ago
      Let's not pretend the United States government supports them either. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/the-broken-record-why-barrs-call-against-end-to-end-encryption-is-nuts/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/the-broken-recor...
      - haimez 7y ago
        How about we not pretend that Russia, China, and the US are playing the same game either?
    - ryanlol 7y ago
      Which, FWIW is exactly why Telegram doesn’t even try to be a secure messaging platform. https://m.habr.com/en/post/206900/ https://m.habr.com/en/post/206900/
- jacksnipe 7y ago
  It seems to me that the US gov’t wouldn’t have a hard time getting Apple to remove Telegram from the App Store. That seems like a pretty awful scenario for them.
  - capableweb 7y ago
    Not really, Telegram works as a web app and also, not that many people in the world actually use iPhones (at least outside of the US. In the US though, more people use iPhone than Android it seems)
    - threeseed 7y ago
      1+ billion iPhones are in use worldwide with more people having them in China than the US. And the idea that people are going to simply switch from an iOS app to a web app is pretty laughable. Mobile web apps are by and large terrible experiences.
      - capableweb 7y ago
        Everything I can find on it, seems that Apple and iOS has around 10-25% market share and units shipped[1][2][3][4] In China specifically, it seems to be around 20%[5] And the idea of real people, having a real need for something in this very moment, is gonna care if they use a iOS app or a web app is pretty laughable too. Even with a worse user experience. - 1) https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share... - 2) https://www.statista.com/statistics/271496/global-market-share-held-by-smartphone-vendors-since-4th-quarter-2009/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/271496/global-market-sha... - 3) https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile - 4) https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide - 5) https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/china https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/china There is more over at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... as well that shows around the same number above too.
- ryanlol 7y ago
  This is a lie. Telegram has not evaded Russia, has continuously lied about not having staff in .ru. These aren’t honest people, on telegram.org they still continue to push lies about the “secure” and “encrypted” nature of telegram.

Telegram as a corporation seems very determined to evade that reach, and appears to have the resources to pull it off.

by ttsda 7y ago

Telegram as a corporation seems very determined to evade that reach, and appears to have the resources to pull it off.

Exactly this. Given how they have evaded Russia for a long time now, Murica must have something else in their assets to exert control over them.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
Basically to evade American reach, you need to have support from Russia and/or China. If you don't have that support, you are going to have a very hard time.
- threeseed 7y ago
  And Russia and China are hardly the type of countries who are keen to support a secure messaging platform.
  - favorited 7y ago
    Let's not pretend the United States government supports them either. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/the-broken-record-why-barrs-call-against-end-to-end-encryption-is-nuts/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/the-broken-recor...
    - haimez 7y ago
      How about we not pretend that Russia, China, and the US are playing the same game either?
  - ryanlol 7y ago
    Which, FWIW is exactly why Telegram doesn’t even try to be a secure messaging platform. https://m.habr.com/en/post/206900/ https://m.habr.com/en/post/206900/
jacksnipe 7y ago
It seems to me that the US gov’t wouldn’t have a hard time getting Apple to remove Telegram from the App Store. That seems like a pretty awful scenario for them.
- capableweb 7y ago
  Not really, Telegram works as a web app and also, not that many people in the world actually use iPhones (at least outside of the US. In the US though, more people use iPhone than Android it seems)
  - threeseed 7y ago
    1+ billion iPhones are in use worldwide with more people having them in China than the US. And the idea that people are going to simply switch from an iOS app to a web app is pretty laughable. Mobile web apps are by and large terrible experiences.
    - capableweb 7y ago
      Everything I can find on it, seems that Apple and iOS has around 10-25% market share and units shipped[1][2][3][4] In China specifically, it seems to be around 20%[5] And the idea of real people, having a real need for something in this very moment, is gonna care if they use a iOS app or a web app is pretty laughable too. Even with a worse user experience. - 1) https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-smartphone-share... - 2) https://www.statista.com/statistics/271496/global-market-share-held-by-smartphone-vendors-since-4th-quarter-2009/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/271496/global-market-sha... - 3) https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile https://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile - 4) https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/worldwide - 5) https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/china https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/mobile/china There is more over at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... as well that shows around the same number above too.
ryanlol 7y ago
This is a lie. Telegram has not evaded Russia, has continuously lied about not having staff in .ru. These aren’t honest people, on telegram.org they still continue to push lies about the “secure” and “encrypted” nature of telegram.