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>I honestly don't care about the justifications. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Do you not see the irony in that statement in the context of d

>I honestly don't care about the justifications. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Do you not see the irony in that statement in the context of discussing whether further infringements on our civil liberties are worth it because "bad guys"?

mullingitover 7y ago
The world isn't black and white. Giving everyone freedom to camp wherever they want takes away people's freedom from disease and crime. Giving everyone freedom to transact purely in untraceable cash takes away freedom to transact how you want, and also enables fraud and money laundering. Taking facial recognition tools away from law enforcement prevents crime victims from bringing their victimizers to justice.
- colejohnson66 7y ago
  > Giving everyone freedom to transact purely in untraceable cash takes away freedom to transact how you want, and also enables fraud and money laundering. So we should ban cash because it’s used for money laundering?
  - mullingitover 7y ago
    Who said anything about banning cash? The ACLU's position is that they want to force businesses to accept cash.
    - colejohnson66 7y ago
      You said cash enables fraud and money laundering
      - mullingitover 7y ago
        I mean, it does. It also adds overhead and danger to operating a business since cash makes you a target for robbery. Now we might be able to use facial recognition to quickly find the robbers, but apparently that's bad.
        colejohnson66 7y ago
        It’s bad because it’ll be abused. We have hundreds (thousands) of documented cases of the governments abusing their power when it comes to technology. We specifically have cases of NSA workings spying on their ex-significant others[0] [0]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveil-lance-watchdog/nsa-staff-used-spy-tools-on-spouses-ex-lovers-watchdog-idUSBRE98Q14G20130927 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveil-lance-watchdo...
- andrekandre 7y ago
  > Giving everyone freedom to camp wherever they want takes away people's freedom from disease and crime. freedom from disease and crime is not outlined anywhere in the constitution afaik...
  - mullingitover 7y ago
    I like to think the General Welfare Clause has some relevance to these types of issues.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  Giving everyone freedom to transact purely in untraceable cash takes away freedom to transact how you want It's hard to believe people would willingly say such foolish things, yet here we are.
- Falling3 7y ago
  > Taking facial recognition tools away from law enforcement prevents crime victims from bringing their victimizers to justice. That's demonstrably false. Additionally, law enforcement in the US has far too much power and has shown a proclivity to abuse every kind of power they have the opportunity to.

mullingitover 7y ago

The world isn't black and white. Giving everyone freedom to camp wherever they want takes away people's freedom from disease and crime. Giving everyone freedom to transact purely in untraceable cash takes away freedom to transact how you want, and also enables fraud and money laundering. Taking facial recognition tools away from law enforcement prevents crime victims from bringing their victimizers to justice.

colejohnson66 7y ago
> Giving everyone freedom to transact purely in untraceable cash takes away freedom to transact how you want, and also enables fraud and money laundering. So we should ban cash because it’s used for money laundering?
- mullingitover 7y ago
  Who said anything about banning cash? The ACLU's position is that they want to force businesses to accept cash.
  - colejohnson66 7y ago
    You said cash enables fraud and money laundering
    - mullingitover 7y ago
      I mean, it does. It also adds overhead and danger to operating a business since cash makes you a target for robbery. Now we might be able to use facial recognition to quickly find the robbers, but apparently that's bad.
      - colejohnson66 7y ago
        It’s bad because it’ll be abused. We have hundreds (thousands) of documented cases of the governments abusing their power when it comes to technology. We specifically have cases of NSA workings spying on their ex-significant others[0] [0]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveil-lance-watchdog/nsa-staff-used-spy-tools-on-spouses-ex-lovers-watchdog-idUSBRE98Q14G20130927 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-surveil-lance-watchdo...
andrekandre 7y ago
> Giving everyone freedom to camp wherever they want takes away people's freedom from disease and crime. freedom from disease and crime is not outlined anywhere in the constitution afaik...
- mullingitover 7y ago
  I like to think the General Welfare Clause has some relevance to these types of issues.
anigbrowl 7y ago
Giving everyone freedom to transact purely in untraceable cash takes away freedom to transact how you want It's hard to believe people would willingly say such foolish things, yet here we are.
Falling3 7y ago
> Taking facial recognition tools away from law enforcement prevents crime victims from bringing their victimizers to justice. That's demonstrably false. Additionally, law enforcement in the US has far too much power and has shown a proclivity to abuse every kind of power they have the opportunity to.