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This is an example of how we are seeing the limits of our Spiral Dynamics stage orange societal systems. In order to remedy these issues we'll have to evolve in

This is an example of how we are seeing the limits of our Spiral Dynamics stage orange societal systems. In order to remedy these issues we'll have to evolve into a stage green society and it will be fought violently by red/orange stage people like Trump. It will be painful but necessary in order to survive and rescue the ecology of the planet from the consequences of the prosperity that stage orange ushered in.

jjpwojwpwf 7y ago
I'll openly admit that I am an annoying pessimist, but I don't think the solution is going to come in the form of anything that a book from 1995 could possibly recognize as progress. To be blunt, what I mean is that a lot of problems we have nowadays come from the mere existence of modern technology, not exclusively from just the way people live. It's a bit hard for me to admit because I used to be an avid technologist (and am currently employed as a computer engineer), but it's gets harder and harder to deny everyday. No one in the world gets to choose what technology is the next logical step, and the decision to pursue its development is ultimately an arms race with the entire world as competitors. It is just not possible for any philosophy, economic system, or culture to change that fact. The good side-effects are inseparable from the bad. If you have nuclear energy, you have atomic bombs and nuclear power plants. If you have fast computer networking, you have on-demand entertainment and surveillance networks. If you can store information forever, you can instantly know someone's worst act and they can remember yours.
- mikelyons 7y ago
  This is the hermetic principle of polarity in action, but notice that technology and people living their lives are also not separate. As humanity becomes more conscious it will begin to dawn that none of the life here is separate from any other life and we will move toward Love and unity. You can see from globalization that we are moving toward a more unified world, it is inevitable if we can survive the consequences of the shadow side of stage orange. Edit: To clarify, unification of the globe will help to prevent weaponizing technologies, and will lead to unified efforts to preserve and rescue our planets ecology from our excesses. But we have to be high enough on the spiral to implement that, if we're down at the psychological level of totalitarians and then try to implement marxism, we will end up with a totalitarian marxism like Stalin. Stalin wasn't a liberal you know ...

jjpwojwpwf 7y ago

I'll openly admit that I am an annoying pessimist, but I don't think the solution is going to come in the form of anything that a book from 1995 could possibly recognize as progress. To be blunt, what I mean is that a lot of problems we have nowadays come from the mere existence of modern technology, not exclusively from just the way people live. It's a bit hard for me to admit because I used to be an avid technologist (and am currently employed as a computer engineer), but it's gets harder and harder to deny everyday. No one in the world gets to choose what technology is the next logical step, and the decision to pursue its development is ultimately an arms race with the entire world as competitors. It is just not possible for any philosophy, economic system, or culture to change that fact. The good side-effects are inseparable from the bad. If you have nuclear energy, you have atomic bombs and nuclear power plants. If you have fast computer networking, you have on-demand entertainment and surveillance networks. If you can store information forever, you can instantly know someone's worst act and they can remember yours.

mikelyons 7y ago
This is the hermetic principle of polarity in action, but notice that technology and people living their lives are also not separate. As humanity becomes more conscious it will begin to dawn that none of the life here is separate from any other life and we will move toward Love and unity. You can see from globalization that we are moving toward a more unified world, it is inevitable if we can survive the consequences of the shadow side of stage orange. Edit: To clarify, unification of the globe will help to prevent weaponizing technologies, and will lead to unified efforts to preserve and rescue our planets ecology from our excesses. But we have to be high enough on the spiral to implement that, if we're down at the psychological level of totalitarians and then try to implement marxism, we will end up with a totalitarian marxism like Stalin. Stalin wasn't a liberal you know ...