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> More importantly, we wouldn't think of buying anything for a baby that has little magnets sewn into cloth. This attitude is insane and why so many people ref

by ben509 7y ago

> More importantly, we wouldn't think of buying anything for a baby that has little magnets sewn into cloth. This attitude is insane and why so many people refuse to have kids.

gnicholas 7y ago
Can you elaborate? There’s no need to put magnets in baby clothing, and there is some risk to doing so. Why do it then? Also, zippers take 3 seconds to do...if you don’t have 3 seconds to zip up the kid, you probably don’t have time to change the diaper underneath...
- filleduchaos 7y ago
  Magnetic closures are usually enclosed in seams, and address a very real need (ease of one-handed or even two/three-fingered operation). Zippers are an actual hazard for baby skin and also tend to take more hands to reliably do/undo than the typical parent trying to manage a screaming, possibly wet baby (or babies!) has available. Even if you're sticking with more traditional fasteners, snaps and Velcro are way more sensible options.
  - gnicholas 7y ago
    Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing! We find zippers to be great, especially the ones that start at the feet. Never found them to be a hazard for skin, through thousands of openings and closings. Also, snaps are definitely the least sensible option for us, since there are so many of them on each outfit. We never buy those, and the ones we've received are used much less than the zippered ones. Glad you've found something that works for you and your baby.
- ben509 7y ago
  It's the histrionic piety that's the problem, not the particulars of the facts. It's in the context of watching parents killing themselves to prove to other parents how their children are their sole focus in life, and that anyone who would do less is an unworthy parent. It's evident in an argument of the form "we wouldn't think of X," wherein compromise is simply declared out of bounds of any possible discussion. Prior generations of parents did not do this; they struck a balance between their children's needs and their own needs. That's why there are new terms to describe the modern excess: helicopter parenting and even "snowplow" parenting[1]. These are not healthy developments for parents, children or society as a whole. [1]: https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/what-caused-the-college-admissions-scam-snowplow-parenting/ https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/what-caused-the-college-...
  - gnicholas 7y ago
    Well, the good news is that you've completely misunderstood my comment. There's no histrionics, nor piety. I don't care what other people do for their kids (I said this elsewhere in the thread), and I can imagine that other people, especially people with disabilities, might find the magnets to a useful option. But for me, zippers are easy and work just fine. Therefore there's no need to take even a small risk to replace something that works just fine. Another consideration is the flood of cheap counterfeits on Amazon (commingled at times), which means that you can't actually trust that the item you purchase is the genuine article (i.e., that it's as well-built as the descriptions say). So I'm not sure what snowplow/helicopter parenting has to do with any of this, but I'm right there with you that people do too much of that. If anyone out there decides not to have kids because I don't buy baby clothes with magnets, I think they care too much about what other people do (with their own babies).

by ben509 7y ago

> More importantly, we wouldn't think of buying anything for a baby that has little magnets sewn into cloth. This attitude is insane and why so many people refuse to have kids.

gnicholas 7y ago

Can you elaborate? There’s no need to put magnets in baby clothing, and there is some risk to doing so. Why do it then? Also, zippers take 3 seconds to do...if you don’t have 3 seconds to zip up the kid, you probably don’t have time to change the diaper underneath...

filleduchaos 7y ago
Magnetic closures are usually enclosed in seams, and address a very real need (ease of one-handed or even two/three-fingered operation). Zippers are an actual hazard for baby skin and also tend to take more hands to reliably do/undo than the typical parent trying to manage a screaming, possibly wet baby (or babies!) has available. Even if you're sticking with more traditional fasteners, snaps and Velcro are way more sensible options.
- gnicholas 7y ago
  Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing! We find zippers to be great, especially the ones that start at the feet. Never found them to be a hazard for skin, through thousands of openings and closings. Also, snaps are definitely the least sensible option for us, since there are so many of them on each outfit. We never buy those, and the ones we've received are used much less than the zippered ones. Glad you've found something that works for you and your baby.
ben509 7y ago
It's the histrionic piety that's the problem, not the particulars of the facts. It's in the context of watching parents killing themselves to prove to other parents how their children are their sole focus in life, and that anyone who would do less is an unworthy parent. It's evident in an argument of the form "we wouldn't think of X," wherein compromise is simply declared out of bounds of any possible discussion. Prior generations of parents did not do this; they struck a balance between their children's needs and their own needs. That's why there are new terms to describe the modern excess: helicopter parenting and even "snowplow" parenting[1]. These are not healthy developments for parents, children or society as a whole. [1]: https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/what-caused-the-college-admissions-scam-snowplow-parenting/ https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/what-caused-the-college-...
- gnicholas 7y ago
  Well, the good news is that you've completely misunderstood my comment. There's no histrionics, nor piety. I don't care what other people do for their kids (I said this elsewhere in the thread), and I can imagine that other people, especially people with disabilities, might find the magnets to a useful option. But for me, zippers are easy and work just fine. Therefore there's no need to take even a small risk to replace something that works just fine. Another consideration is the flood of cheap counterfeits on Amazon (commingled at times), which means that you can't actually trust that the item you purchase is the genuine article (i.e., that it's as well-built as the descriptions say). So I'm not sure what snowplow/helicopter parenting has to do with any of this, but I'm right there with you that people do too much of that. If anyone out there decides not to have kids because I don't buy baby clothes with magnets, I think they care too much about what other people do (with their own babies).