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> Sure but there's a reason that development has moved off of Perl. Why don't you specify this single reason you allude to?

luckylion 7y ago
That's just a saying, it doesn't mean that there's one specific reason, it means "that didn't happen by accident". I think there are plenty of reasons, and they work to reinforce each other.
- lilSebastian 7y ago
  > That's just a saying, it doesn't mean that there's one specific reason > a reason Singular, in English that means there's a single reason. > I think there are plenty of reasons, and they work to reinforce each other Care to expand on this? Genuinely interesting, a thread where people complain about a language and they are so careless with the language they use to try and get their point across...
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > Care to expand on this? Not particularly since you seem very combative... but here it goes, from the top of my head: without Moose/Moo etc OOP is (was? no clue, I don't follow development any more) just cumbersome and archaic (and with it you'll run into strange things when you hit errors), support in modern IDEs is lacking, there are few developers and therefore a smaller community, it's often not among the officially provided SDKs etc. Those are all interconnected. You can't easily hire Perl developers. Nobody wants to pay large sums to compete about the few there are to provide an SDK for a language that is on its way out. Nobody wants to work with a language that's not really supported by businesses. There's no large community to improve tools. Of course, I don't mean literally nobody, just very little. It's a vicious circle. I liked Perl (it has a special place in my heart), I've written a ton of stuff in Perl, some of it I still support, but I can't say that I've missed it in the last five or so years since I've stopped actively writing it. I still occasionally log into the perl-focused community I used to frequent and they are still getting about a post a week. I never gave Perl6 a chance, simply because it would be a switch to another language where knowing Perl didn't really transfer, so I might as well go where the music plays. And yeah, CPAN-modules are nice and all, but a lot of it always looked to me as if written for a contest of clever code, not to be read & understood easily.
    - lilSebastian 7y ago
      > Not particularly since you seem very combative Asking people to back up what they say is 'combative'? Nothing else in this post has a ring of truth either
bifrost 7y ago
Its a saying, but since you're being pedantic I'll use my personal favorite example -> Having to use mod_perl or cgi/fcgi is awful.
- claudiawerner 7y ago
  Most people who develop web stuff with Python end up using FCGI/WSGI to use with nginx anyway, so I'm not sure what this complaint means.
  - lilSebastian 7y ago
    An attempt to justify their rant with 1990s era perl examples
- lilSebastian 7y ago
  You don't have to use either of these. Was the last time you used perl in the late 1990s?
- Grinnz 7y ago
  Modern web development doesn't use these, and mod_perl is certainly not recommended anymore - CGI still has its uses, but don't use CGI.pm. A modern webapp is written in Mojolicious or a Plack based framework, and they can all deploy transparently via a standalone server, or any PSGI or CGI server, or even mod_perl or fastcgi if you really need to.

luckylion 7y ago

That's just a saying, it doesn't mean that there's one specific reason, it means "that didn't happen by accident". I think there are plenty of reasons, and they work to reinforce each other.

lilSebastian 7y ago
> That's just a saying, it doesn't mean that there's one specific reason > a reason Singular, in English that means there's a single reason. > I think there are plenty of reasons, and they work to reinforce each other Care to expand on this? Genuinely interesting, a thread where people complain about a language and they are so careless with the language they use to try and get their point across...
- luckylion 7y ago
  > Care to expand on this? Not particularly since you seem very combative... but here it goes, from the top of my head: without Moose/Moo etc OOP is (was? no clue, I don't follow development any more) just cumbersome and archaic (and with it you'll run into strange things when you hit errors), support in modern IDEs is lacking, there are few developers and therefore a smaller community, it's often not among the officially provided SDKs etc. Those are all interconnected. You can't easily hire Perl developers. Nobody wants to pay large sums to compete about the few there are to provide an SDK for a language that is on its way out. Nobody wants to work with a language that's not really supported by businesses. There's no large community to improve tools. Of course, I don't mean literally nobody, just very little. It's a vicious circle. I liked Perl (it has a special place in my heart), I've written a ton of stuff in Perl, some of it I still support, but I can't say that I've missed it in the last five or so years since I've stopped actively writing it. I still occasionally log into the perl-focused community I used to frequent and they are still getting about a post a week. I never gave Perl6 a chance, simply because it would be a switch to another language where knowing Perl didn't really transfer, so I might as well go where the music plays. And yeah, CPAN-modules are nice and all, but a lot of it always looked to me as if written for a contest of clever code, not to be read & understood easily.
  - lilSebastian 7y ago
    > Not particularly since you seem very combative Asking people to back up what they say is 'combative'? Nothing else in this post has a ring of truth either

bifrost 7y ago

Its a saying, but since you're being pedantic I'll use my personal favorite example -> Having to use mod_perl or cgi/fcgi is awful.

claudiawerner 7y ago
Most people who develop web stuff with Python end up using FCGI/WSGI to use with nginx anyway, so I'm not sure what this complaint means.
- lilSebastian 7y ago
  An attempt to justify their rant with 1990s era perl examples
lilSebastian 7y ago
You don't have to use either of these. Was the last time you used perl in the late 1990s?
Grinnz 7y ago
Modern web development doesn't use these, and mod_perl is certainly not recommended anymore - CGI still has its uses, but don't use CGI.pm. A modern webapp is written in Mojolicious or a Plack based framework, and they can all deploy transparently via a standalone server, or any PSGI or CGI server, or even mod_perl or fastcgi if you really need to.