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Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed

Its a CIVIL war that has been raging for the last 200 years. It won't stop anytime soon until there is diplomacy. Real diplomacy and HARD diplomacy is needed here. It can't be stopped unless people sit down and talk things out.

megous 7y ago
Since when CIVIL wars involve several remote superpowers and a bunch of local countries?
- xxxtentachyon 7y ago
  Many times? During the US Civil War, Great Britain gave serious thought to intervening on behalf of the Confederacy on whom they depended for cotton supplies (India at the time was still experimenting with cotton horticulture), and gave tacit financial support throughout the war. Virtually all of the Latin American civil wars of the second half of the last century saw the US give material or military support to anti-communist forces.
- abraae 7y ago
  Vietnam.
pas 7y ago
Why would Erdogan sit down with a minority when he has the resources to just totally oppress them?
kyledrake 7y ago
It's not a civil war, it's a genocide event against the kurds.
- mda 7y ago
  Stick to facts please.
  - Miner49er 7y ago
    We don't know the facts. This absolutely might be leading to genocide. The fact that they are cutting social media is even more evidence it might go in that direction.
    - mda 7y ago
      There was a similar operation last year, was it genocide? Please, that is not a light word you should throw around without any evidence. I am always disgusted by censorship, but thankfully there are many other channels of information out there. Also you know that Turkey is home of at least 15 million Kurds already.
      - Miner49er 7y ago
        Maybe ethnic cleansing is a slightly better term then genocide, though they fall under the same umbrella. The BBC is reporting that it's a possibility: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50004203 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50004203
    - lacriment 7y ago
      You referring BBC as a safe source. I offer you to watch this whole video. You may see how prejudiced BBC is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdRIr0QFOqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdRIr0QFOqk
      - Miner49er 7y ago
        I see a pro-Turkey bias. They let a guy go on there from the Turkish government and push his propaganda, mostly unchecked. They didn't have anyone from the YPG giving their side.
  - kyledrake 7y ago
    In a war situation you don't have access to facts until after the dust has settled and the bad things have happened, so two years from now I will revise my assessment of the situation based on "the facts". The facts we do have available are historical record of what happens when self-interested, oppression happy Turkish dictators decide that a group of people are terrorists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
- lacriment 7y ago
  Genocide with a cross border operation but millions of kurds living in Turkey's own territory. Okay.
  - the_why_of_y 7y ago
    For certain values of "living". https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/turkey-onslaught-on-kurdish-areas-putting-tens-of-thousands-of-lives-at-risk/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/turkey-onslau... Many of the estimated 500,000 people displaced from their homes in areas under the curfews across the southeast of Turkey in 2015 and 2016 lacked access to adequate housing and livelihoods. Many were unable to return to their homes that had been destroyed during or after military operations during which state security forces clashed with armed individuals affiliated to the PKK. https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/turkey/report-turkey/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia...
OldFatCactus 7y ago
saw Trump parrot this exact bit of propaganda last night. What an age we live in
chr1 7y ago
This is a very inaccurate and misleading characterization, there was no one single war, and the warring sides have changed alliances and some were wiped out completely. Until about 1920s kurds were mostly on the same side as turkish government, and were helping turks to quell rare rebellions of non-muslim population (mostly armenians, greeks, assyrians) who were treated as second class citizens. Only in 1920s after most of the non-muslim population was killed in genocide, or displaced during population exchange with greece, Turkey started using their honed ethnic cleansing skills against Kurds. There is as much reason for Kurdistan to be part of Turkey, as for African countries to be part of France, but Turkey not only doesn't agree to this but also fights against kurds in neighbouring countries. It can be stopped either when Turkey becomes civilized (1) country, like european countries did, or when stronger countries force it to behave in a civilized manner, like US was doing until now. (1) denying genocide, having laws against "insulting Turkishness", oppressing minorities are not things that civilized countries do
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megous 7y ago

Since when CIVIL wars involve several remote superpowers and a bunch of local countries?

xxxtentachyon 7y ago
Many times? During the US Civil War, Great Britain gave serious thought to intervening on behalf of the Confederacy on whom they depended for cotton supplies (India at the time was still experimenting with cotton horticulture), and gave tacit financial support throughout the war. Virtually all of the Latin American civil wars of the second half of the last century saw the US give material or military support to anti-communist forces.
abraae 7y ago
Vietnam.

pas 7y ago

Why would Erdogan sit down with a minority when he has the resources to just totally oppress them?

kyledrake 7y ago

It's not a civil war, it's a genocide event against the kurds.

mda 7y ago
Stick to facts please.
- Miner49er 7y ago
  We don't know the facts. This absolutely might be leading to genocide. The fact that they are cutting social media is even more evidence it might go in that direction.
  - mda 7y ago
    There was a similar operation last year, was it genocide? Please, that is not a light word you should throw around without any evidence. I am always disgusted by censorship, but thankfully there are many other channels of information out there. Also you know that Turkey is home of at least 15 million Kurds already.
    - Miner49er 7y ago
      Maybe ethnic cleansing is a slightly better term then genocide, though they fall under the same umbrella. The BBC is reporting that it's a possibility: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50004203 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50004203
  - lacriment 7y ago
    You referring BBC as a safe source. I offer you to watch this whole video. You may see how prejudiced BBC is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdRIr0QFOqk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdRIr0QFOqk
    - Miner49er 7y ago
      I see a pro-Turkey bias. They let a guy go on there from the Turkish government and push his propaganda, mostly unchecked. They didn't have anyone from the YPG giving their side.
- kyledrake 7y ago
  In a war situation you don't have access to facts until after the dust has settled and the bad things have happened, so two years from now I will revise my assessment of the situation based on "the facts". The facts we do have available are historical record of what happens when self-interested, oppression happy Turkish dictators decide that a group of people are terrorists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
lacriment 7y ago
Genocide with a cross border operation but millions of kurds living in Turkey's own territory. Okay.
- the_why_of_y 7y ago
  For certain values of "living". https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/turkey-onslaught-on-kurdish-areas-putting-tens-of-thousands-of-lives-at-risk/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/turkey-onslau... Many of the estimated 500,000 people displaced from their homes in areas under the curfews across the southeast of Turkey in 2015 and 2016 lacked access to adequate housing and livelihoods. Many were unable to return to their homes that had been destroyed during or after military operations during which state security forces clashed with armed individuals affiliated to the PKK. https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/turkey/report-turkey/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia...

OldFatCactus 7y ago

saw Trump parrot this exact bit of propaganda last night. What an age we live in

chr1 7y ago

This is a very inaccurate and misleading characterization, there was no one single war, and the warring sides have changed alliances and some were wiped out completely. Until about 1920s kurds were mostly on the same side as turkish government, and were helping turks to quell rare rebellions of non-muslim population (mostly armenians, greeks, assyrians) who were treated as second class citizens. Only in 1920s after most of the non-muslim population was killed in genocide, or displaced during population exchange with greece, Turkey started using their honed ethnic cleansing skills against Kurds. There is as much reason for Kurdistan to be part of Turkey, as for African countries to be part of France, but Turkey not only doesn't agree to this but also fights against kurds in neighbouring countries. It can be stopped either when Turkey becomes civilized (1) country, like european countries did, or when stronger countries force it to behave in a civilized manner, like US was doing until now. (1) denying genocide, having laws against "insulting Turkishness", oppressing minorities are not things that civilized countries do

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