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Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Tür

Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

Barrin92 7y ago
this is getting downvoted but its essentially true. The separatism in Catalonia has strong roots in a sort of local superiority complex, not oppression. It's similar to Lega in Northern Italy.
- chr1 7y ago
  Are you sure that, existence of separate language and suppression of Catalan culture during the Franco period have nothing to do with the desire to have separate country, and only some strange superiority complex causes it?
notebookstack 7y ago
I think the comparison in situation/contrast in international attention being made is more between Catalonia and Hong Kong. There's certainly a ton of other important issues causing the unrest, but there is a certain element of xenophobia/ superiority complex in play in Hong Kong as well, that has been simmering for many years. https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3032041/hong-kongs-hatred-mainlanders-feeds-xenophobic-undercurrents-its https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3032041/hong-ko...?
- oldmanthrowit 7y ago
  It's really apples and hamburgers. Hong Kong is being controlled by a brutal dictatorship which killed 30 million of it's own people over the past century. Catalonia is the rich part of Spain not liking the poorer part of spain. That's it. Catalonians are the embodiment of the western view of the French. The French, it turns out, are mostly not elitist jerks. Catalonians, no matter what you ask them about Spain, instantly respond with "Oh that's spanish, not Catalan, I don't know anything about that". It's absurd posturing, and nothing more. Just like BRexiters, Catalonians have the erroneous notion that their wealth comes to them without any influence by the rest of their society, it's essentially cultural objectivism.
overkalix 7y ago
Catalan here (and not exactly rich). I think OP's comment was completely out of place, but trying to disregard the independence movement as rich guys entitlement is a an extremely distorted representation of the political reality of Catalonia.
- oldmanthrowit 7y ago
  I live in Türkiye. You're just entitled westerners with 2 steaks complaining you don't have a potatoe.
  - ahbyb 7y ago
    They also have the potato, their complaint is about having to share it with poorer people. :P
    - buboard 7y ago
      They re just looking for the right metaphor to use :p
dang 7y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into political or nationalistic flamewar. Perhaps the GP was provocative, but on HN the idea is not to take provocation and definitely not to blow it up much larger. We'd appreciate it if you'd read and follow the site guidelines, which you broke badly with this post. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- oldmanthrowit 7y ago
  No. Hacker News has become a forum for uber nationalistic right-winged libertarians. Be them Israeli, Catalanian, Amurrikkkan, or other, HN lays somewhere in-between 4chan and the daily stormer. Imma keep posting what I want, Adolf.
  - dang 7y ago
    People with passionate politics usually perceive Hacker News as favoring their enemies. This is a cognitive bias: the comments we dislike make a stronger impression than the comments we agree with, so it feels like the community is against us. In reality, it's a large community with a wide spectrum. The people with opposite politics notice the opposite comments and so have the opposite picture of HN. Here are some examples from what I assume is the opposite side to yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21192430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21192430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20956287 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20956287 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20645202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20645202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20644122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20644122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20438487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20438487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20384662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20384662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20202305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20202305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19912334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19912334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19471335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19471335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19325297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19325297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18664482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18664482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18544961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18544961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18189135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18189135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17197581 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17197581 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17002125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17002125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16997697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16997697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16947646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16947646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16397133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16397133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16134205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16134205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16085548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16085548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16061393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16061393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16058468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16058468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16022748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16022748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15937781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15937781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15752730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15752730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15585780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15585780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15388778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15388778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15307915 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15307915 Sorry for bombarding you with ridiculously many links, but maybe that makes the point better.
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Barrin92 7y ago

this is getting downvoted but its essentially true. The separatism in Catalonia has strong roots in a sort of local superiority complex, not oppression. It's similar to Lega in Northern Italy.

chr1 7y ago
Are you sure that, existence of separate language and suppression of Catalan culture during the Franco period have nothing to do with the desire to have separate country, and only some strange superiority complex causes it?

notebookstack 7y ago

I think the comparison in situation/contrast in international attention being made is more between Catalonia and Hong Kong. There's certainly a ton of other important issues causing the unrest, but there is a certain element of xenophobia/ superiority complex in play in Hong Kong as well, that has been simmering for many years. https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3032041/hong-kongs-hatred-mainlanders-feeds-xenophobic-undercurrents-its https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3032041/hong-ko...?

oldmanthrowit 7y ago
It's really apples and hamburgers. Hong Kong is being controlled by a brutal dictatorship which killed 30 million of it's own people over the past century. Catalonia is the rich part of Spain not liking the poorer part of spain. That's it. Catalonians are the embodiment of the western view of the French. The French, it turns out, are mostly not elitist jerks. Catalonians, no matter what you ask them about Spain, instantly respond with "Oh that's spanish, not Catalan, I don't know anything about that". It's absurd posturing, and nothing more. Just like BRexiters, Catalonians have the erroneous notion that their wealth comes to them without any influence by the rest of their society, it's essentially cultural objectivism.

overkalix 7y ago

Catalan here (and not exactly rich). I think OP's comment was completely out of place, but trying to disregard the independence movement as rich guys entitlement is a an extremely distorted representation of the political reality of Catalonia.

oldmanthrowit 7y ago
I live in Türkiye. You're just entitled westerners with 2 steaks complaining you don't have a potatoe.
- ahbyb 7y ago
  They also have the potato, their complaint is about having to share it with poorer people. :P
  - buboard 7y ago
    They re just looking for the right metaphor to use :p

dang 7y ago

Please don't take HN threads further into political or nationalistic flamewar. Perhaps the GP was provocative, but on HN the idea is not to take provocation and definitely not to blow it up much larger. We'd appreciate it if you'd read and follow the site guidelines, which you broke badly with this post. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

oldmanthrowit 7y ago
No. Hacker News has become a forum for uber nationalistic right-winged libertarians. Be them Israeli, Catalanian, Amurrikkkan, or other, HN lays somewhere in-between 4chan and the daily stormer. Imma keep posting what I want, Adolf.
- dang 7y ago
  People with passionate politics usually perceive Hacker News as favoring their enemies. This is a cognitive bias: the comments we dislike make a stronger impression than the comments we agree with, so it feels like the community is against us. In reality, it's a large community with a wide spectrum. The people with opposite politics notice the opposite comments and so have the opposite picture of HN. Here are some examples from what I assume is the opposite side to yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21192430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21192430 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20956287 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20956287 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20645202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20645202 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20644122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20644122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20438487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20438487 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20384662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20384662 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20202305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20202305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19912334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19912334 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19471335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19471335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19325297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19325297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18664482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18664482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18544961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18544961 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18189135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18189135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17197581 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17197581 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17002125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17002125 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16997697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16997697 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16947646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16947646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16397133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16397133 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16134205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16134205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16085548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16085548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16061393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16061393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16058468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16058468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16022748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16022748 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15937781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15937781 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15752730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15752730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15585780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15585780 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15388778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15388778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15307915 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15307915 Sorry for bombarding you with ridiculously many links, but maybe that makes the point better.

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