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> I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. Would you mind briefly elaborating on this? I wasn't aware that Mozilla had done anythi

> I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. Would you mind briefly elaborating on this? I wasn't aware that Mozilla had done anything apart from behave well.

SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
Bundling Pocket, resetting default search provider back to Google on updates. Just a couple off the top of my head. I'm a long-time Firefox user, FWIW.
- pedrogpimenta 7y ago
  Yeah, bundling Pocket is not good, but if you don't use it I guess you're not being tracked? Or is there proof that it sends your info either way? > resetting default search provider back to Google on updates Never happened to me. Was this a specific update I might have missed?
- senorjazz 7y ago
  > Bundling Pocket Why is that a problem? I never got the furore over it. When it appeared, I removed the icon and just went about my business. Annoying yes, but certainly not "shady". From what I understood / stand it was a mozilla app they included with the browser, not that different to how firefox comes with a bookmarks app.
  - kragen 7y ago
    Originally it was a proprietary program from a for-profit company. That's why people got upset.
    - Crespyl 7y ago
      The server component is still proprietary and closed source, at least the last time I checked.
  - ChristianBundy 7y ago
    It should be mentioned that it also adds articles to your new tab page, which is possible to remove but not easy for most people.
    - bwat49 7y ago
      > it also adds articles to your new tab page, which is possible to remove but not easy for most people It's two clicks.
      - ChristianBundy 7y ago
        Yes, if you're familiar enough with Firefox that you know where to click and are comfortable enough to experiment with customizing your browser. I don't think that's the case for most people. It took me a few months before I realized that the page was customizable at all, especially since the triple-dot menu doesn't even show up until you hover or focus the element.
- theboulevardier 7y ago
  I use DuckDuckGo as my default search engine and it has never reverted back to Google. Perhaps it only happens on certain major updates??
  - thenewnewguy 7y ago
    Have also been using it for about a year on linux stable FF, never had it reset.
dpifke 7y ago
How about enabling DNS-over-HTTPS, which routes your entire browsing history to a third party, based on selections labelled "OK, Got It" and "Disable Protection": https://github.com/mozilla/doh-rollout/issues/125 https://github.com/mozilla/doh-rollout/issues/125 Don't get me wrong, DoH is great if you have a shady ISP. But it should be opt-in, not opt-out, since those of us who don't have shady ISPs don't want all our DNS queries centralized in the same place, to be scooped up with just one FISA warrant. And dark patterns like this are a pox on the web and Mozilla shouldn't be perpetuating them.
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- dangerface 7y ago
  > since those of us who don't have shady ISPs don't want all our DNS queries centralized If you live in the US or EU your ISP logs dns queries and sells them on [0] encryption is the only solution. [0] https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/04/big-uk-broadband-isps-have-big-concerns-about-dns-over-https.html https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/04/big-uk-broadba...
- cptskippy 7y ago
  Your complaint is about a Web Extension Experiment that they're currently testing and not a feature they have shipped in the browser. It seems like this isn't shady at all, but rather they're testing something and soliciting feedback. You provided some and they responded that they plan to write a blog post about it. So what's shady here? That the process is working?
  - dpifke 7y ago
    My understanding is that this is how it's being rolled out, eventually to 100% of users: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/09/06/whats-next-in-making-dns-over-https-the-default/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/09/06/whats-nex...
    - 7y ago

> I think the "shady shit" Mozilla has pulled lately are death rattles. Would you mind briefly elaborating on this? I wasn't aware that Mozilla had done anything apart from behave well.

SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago

Bundling Pocket, resetting default search provider back to Google on updates. Just a couple off the top of my head. I'm a long-time Firefox user, FWIW.

pedrogpimenta 7y ago
Yeah, bundling Pocket is not good, but if you don't use it I guess you're not being tracked? Or is there proof that it sends your info either way? > resetting default search provider back to Google on updates Never happened to me. Was this a specific update I might have missed?
senorjazz 7y ago
> Bundling Pocket Why is that a problem? I never got the furore over it. When it appeared, I removed the icon and just went about my business. Annoying yes, but certainly not "shady". From what I understood / stand it was a mozilla app they included with the browser, not that different to how firefox comes with a bookmarks app.
- kragen 7y ago
  Originally it was a proprietary program from a for-profit company. That's why people got upset.
  - Crespyl 7y ago
    The server component is still proprietary and closed source, at least the last time I checked.
- ChristianBundy 7y ago
  It should be mentioned that it also adds articles to your new tab page, which is possible to remove but not easy for most people.
  - bwat49 7y ago
    > it also adds articles to your new tab page, which is possible to remove but not easy for most people It's two clicks.
    - ChristianBundy 7y ago
      Yes, if you're familiar enough with Firefox that you know where to click and are comfortable enough to experiment with customizing your browser. I don't think that's the case for most people. It took me a few months before I realized that the page was customizable at all, especially since the triple-dot menu doesn't even show up until you hover or focus the element.
theboulevardier 7y ago
I use DuckDuckGo as my default search engine and it has never reverted back to Google. Perhaps it only happens on certain major updates??
- thenewnewguy 7y ago
  Have also been using it for about a year on linux stable FF, never had it reset.

dpifke 7y ago

How about enabling DNS-over-HTTPS, which routes your entire browsing history to a third party, based on selections labelled "OK, Got It" and "Disable Protection": https://github.com/mozilla/doh-rollout/issues/125 https://github.com/mozilla/doh-rollout/issues/125 Don't get me wrong, DoH is great if you have a shady ISP. But it should be opt-in, not opt-out, since those of us who don't have shady ISPs don't want all our DNS queries centralized in the same place, to be scooped up with just one FISA warrant. And dark patterns like this are a pox on the web and Mozilla shouldn't be perpetuating them.

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dangerface 7y ago
> since those of us who don't have shady ISPs don't want all our DNS queries centralized If you live in the US or EU your ISP logs dns queries and sells them on [0] encryption is the only solution. [0] https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/04/big-uk-broadband-isps-have-big-concerns-about-dns-over-https.html https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2019/04/big-uk-broadba...
cptskippy 7y ago
Your complaint is about a Web Extension Experiment that they're currently testing and not a feature they have shipped in the browser. It seems like this isn't shady at all, but rather they're testing something and soliciting feedback. You provided some and they responded that they plan to write a blog post about it. So what's shady here? That the process is working?
- dpifke 7y ago
  My understanding is that this is how it's being rolled out, eventually to 100% of users: https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/09/06/whats-next-in-making-dns-over-https-the-default/ https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2019/09/06/whats-nex...
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