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Who are, the Guardian, or The Heartland Institute, and if the latter, why?

by wlll 7y ago

jansan 7y ago
The latter. Why what? Why I have this opinion? Simply because the whole campaign is purely based on emotions, it's whole frickin idea is to cause hysteria in people's minds. And Greta even says that she wants people to be afraid.
- mmjaa 7y ago
  Perhaps you ought to be afraid. Massive climate change is going to disrupt everything we take for granted today.
  - jansan 7y ago
    Even if you were right, how would it help me being afraid?
    - mmjaa 7y ago
      You might change your ways. If enough of us do that, we might have a chance to survive. Currently the ship is sinking - do you want to pull out a deck chair and behave as if everything is just fine, sipping on cocktails while the sharks float by? OR would you rather help out those of us who are manning the lifeboats and trying to get folks to safety? You're going to have to put down the cocktail, sir.
  - tjansen 7y ago
    Doesn't it scare you when somebody urges you to make radical changes, but at the same time tries to shut down any discussion about it?
    - mmjaa 7y ago
      Who is shutting down discussion? As far as I can see, Greta is promoting more and more discourse than there ever was before..
      - tjansen 7y ago
        Everybody who urges to cut funding for 'climate deniers', for example. And people who call any discussion about it 'dangerous'. I certainly didn't talk about Greta Thunberg. From what I know, she's embracing the viewpoints of other organizations (which I think is the smartest thing she can do).
        mmjaa 7y ago
        "Okay, the climate is burning .. but can we please calm down and stop throwing water on the guys starting the fires .." - doesn't seem like a very productive response. I think, also, you have to temper your hatred of Greta for being an uppity pre-teen, with the realization that Oil companies have known about the climate problem since the 70's and have actively worked to obfuscate the issue in order to protect their yearly profits. For DECADES. Without taking that into account, any discussion over the 'appropriate behaviour of Greta' is certainly ingenuous, if not downright specious...
        tjansen 7y ago
        Living in Germany, with its history of ineffective but expensive actions against climate change, I do wish people would stay a bit calmer. Germany could have used its money to fund research that would help solve the issue globally. Instead we spent incredible amounts of money on low-tech solutions without actually reducing our climate footprint or even having a plan of how to eliminate fossil fuels. (Not sure why you always come back to Greta T. She's really not relevant in this discussion)
        mmjaa 7y ago
        Greta was the subject of the OP I originally responded to. I think she is relevant, since she is the #1 figurehead for climate change responsibility at the moment. Anyway, I hear your point about Germany, but .. so? We can't go back and fix this. We must look forward to our own futures and do something effective about it NOW. Myself, I'm divesting myself of all oil-based energy sources. I get my electricity from renewable (wind) sources, and live in Austria where we have been managing renewable energy projects for centuries.
- wlll 7y ago
  As people have replied to you before (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21058750 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21058750), you can't take emotions out of human motivation and activity.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  > because the whole campaign is purely based on emotions Err hang on a minute. Every campaign, advert, promotion, or politician and political party election broadcast, and marketing of everything is based on emotion, and frequently fear and hysteria. The ad homimen is "spot on", but you make no mention of any of the rest? What an unusual world view.
  - jansan 7y ago
    What rest?

Who are, the Guardian, or The Heartland Institute, and if the latter, why?

by wlll 7y ago

Who are, the Guardian, or The Heartland Institute, and if the latter, why?

The latter. Why what? Why I have this opinion? Simply because the whole campaign is purely based on emotions, it's whole frickin idea is to cause hysteria in people's minds. And Greta even says that she wants people to be afraid.

mmjaa 7y ago
Perhaps you ought to be afraid. Massive climate change is going to disrupt everything we take for granted today.
- jansan 7y ago
  Even if you were right, how would it help me being afraid?
  - mmjaa 7y ago
    You might change your ways. If enough of us do that, we might have a chance to survive. Currently the ship is sinking - do you want to pull out a deck chair and behave as if everything is just fine, sipping on cocktails while the sharks float by? OR would you rather help out those of us who are manning the lifeboats and trying to get folks to safety? You're going to have to put down the cocktail, sir.
- tjansen 7y ago
  Doesn't it scare you when somebody urges you to make radical changes, but at the same time tries to shut down any discussion about it?
  - mmjaa 7y ago
    Who is shutting down discussion? As far as I can see, Greta is promoting more and more discourse than there ever was before..
    - tjansen 7y ago
      Everybody who urges to cut funding for 'climate deniers', for example. And people who call any discussion about it 'dangerous'. I certainly didn't talk about Greta Thunberg. From what I know, she's embracing the viewpoints of other organizations (which I think is the smartest thing she can do).
      - mmjaa 7y ago
        "Okay, the climate is burning .. but can we please calm down and stop throwing water on the guys starting the fires .." - doesn't seem like a very productive response. I think, also, you have to temper your hatred of Greta for being an uppity pre-teen, with the realization that Oil companies have known about the climate problem since the 70's and have actively worked to obfuscate the issue in order to protect their yearly profits. For DECADES. Without taking that into account, any discussion over the 'appropriate behaviour of Greta' is certainly ingenuous, if not downright specious...
        tjansen 7y ago
        Living in Germany, with its history of ineffective but expensive actions against climate change, I do wish people would stay a bit calmer. Germany could have used its money to fund research that would help solve the issue globally. Instead we spent incredible amounts of money on low-tech solutions without actually reducing our climate footprint or even having a plan of how to eliminate fossil fuels. (Not sure why you always come back to Greta T. She's really not relevant in this discussion)
        mmjaa 7y ago
        Greta was the subject of the OP I originally responded to. I think she is relevant, since she is the #1 figurehead for climate change responsibility at the moment. Anyway, I hear your point about Germany, but .. so? We can't go back and fix this. We must look forward to our own futures and do something effective about it NOW. Myself, I'm divesting myself of all oil-based energy sources. I get my electricity from renewable (wind) sources, and live in Austria where we have been managing renewable energy projects for centuries.
wlll 7y ago
As people have replied to you before (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21058750 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21058750), you can't take emotions out of human motivation and activity.
NeedMoreTea 7y ago
> because the whole campaign is purely based on emotions Err hang on a minute. Every campaign, advert, promotion, or politician and political party election broadcast, and marketing of everything is based on emotion, and frequently fear and hysteria. The ad homimen is "spot on", but you make no mention of any of the rest? What an unusual world view.
- jansan 7y ago
  What rest?