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AWS is working on it too. Internally, the region is very much treated as untrustworthy.

by losteric 7y ago

etaioinshrdlu 7y ago
Very interesting. Any additional info? Info that is maybe not public?
- mey 7y ago
  AWS is very upfront about AWS China. See https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regional-product-services/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regio... and click AWS China Regions on the left side. I would be asking AWS about the future of AWS Hong Kong which has historically has had special freedoms from China. See current events for more on that. Typical issue is the ICP License ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license ), which is why Western companies set up shop in Hong Kong.
  - sterlind 7y ago
    For now, like you say. If China decides to make one country one system, it's curtains for all the Western infrastructure and instances located there. Depending on how it goes down, it could be a big security/confidentiality issue for the data located or flowing through there. I'm hopeful China would have a lot to lose by pulling the plug, since Hong Kong is a valuable interface to the West, but it might happen sooner or later with how unstable geopolitics is becoming.
- ninju 7y ago
  Actually ALL data centers hosted in China will be subject to data examination by the Ministry of Public Security https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/10/chinas-new-cybersecurity-system-there-is-no-place-to-hide.html https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/10/chinas-new-cybersecurit... The inspection team has complete access to the network system. Inspection can cover both the technical aspects of the network system and the data/information maintained on the servers. See Article 10. The inspectors can fully access the system and they are permitted to copy any data they find. See Article 15. The only restriction on the inspectors copying the data in your company’s system is that the inspectors must provide you with a receipt. Though Article 10 “restricts” access to matters involving national security, the definition of national security in China is so broad that there is no real limitation on what can be accessed, copied and removed.

AWS is working on it too. Internally, the region is very much treated as untrustworthy.

etaioinshrdlu 7y ago

Very interesting. Any additional info? Info that is maybe not public?

mey 7y ago
AWS is very upfront about AWS China. See https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regional-product-services/ https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/regio... and click AWS China Regions on the left side. I would be asking AWS about the future of AWS Hong Kong which has historically has had special freedoms from China. See current events for more on that. Typical issue is the ICP License ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICP_license ), which is why Western companies set up shop in Hong Kong.
- sterlind 7y ago
  For now, like you say. If China decides to make one country one system, it's curtains for all the Western infrastructure and instances located there. Depending on how it goes down, it could be a big security/confidentiality issue for the data located or flowing through there. I'm hopeful China would have a lot to lose by pulling the plug, since Hong Kong is a valuable interface to the West, but it might happen sooner or later with how unstable geopolitics is becoming.
ninju 7y ago
Actually ALL data centers hosted in China will be subject to data examination by the Ministry of Public Security https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/10/chinas-new-cybersecurity-system-there-is-no-place-to-hide.html https://www.chinalawblog.com/2019/10/chinas-new-cybersecurit... The inspection team has complete access to the network system. Inspection can cover both the technical aspects of the network system and the data/information maintained on the servers. See Article 10. The inspectors can fully access the system and they are permitted to copy any data they find. See Article 15. The only restriction on the inspectors copying the data in your company’s system is that the inspectors must provide you with a receipt. Though Article 10 “restricts” access to matters involving national security, the definition of national security in China is so broad that there is no real limitation on what can be accessed, copied and removed.