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Actually we can't assume that at all. It seems I'm going to have to repost this comment a thousand times https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20904857 https://n
by Despegar 7y ago
Actually we can't assume that at all. It seems I'm going to have to repost this comment a thousand times https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20904857 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20904857
>Apple has already publicly said in court filings, and under threat of perjury, that they don't make any exceptions for China.
From Apple's filing [1]:
>Finally, the government attempts to disclaim the obvious international implications of its demand, asserting that any pressure to hand over the same software to foreign agents “flows from [Apple’s] decision to do business in foreign countries . . . .” Opp. 26. Contrary to the government’s misleading statistics (Opp. 26), which had to do with lawful process and did not compel the creation of software that undermines the security of its users, Apple has never built a back door of any kind into iOS, or otherwise made data stored on the iPhone or in iCloud more technically accessible to any country’s government. See Dkt. 16-28 [Apple Inc., Privacy, Gov’t Info. Requests]; Federighi Decl. ¶¶ 6–7. The government is wrong in asserting that Apple made “special accommodations” for China (Opp. 26), as Apple uses the same security protocols everywhere in the world and follows the same standards for responding to law enforcement requests. See Federighi Decl. ¶ 5.
and a declaration from Craig Federighi personally [2]:
>Apple uses the same security protocols everywhere in the world.
>Apple has never made user data, whether stored on the iPhone or in iCloud, more technologically accessible to any country's government. We believe any such access is too dangerous to allow. Apple has also not provided any government with its proprietary iOS source code. While governmental agencies in various countries, including the United States, perform regulatory reviews of new iPhone releases, all that Apple provides in those circumstances is an unmodified iPhone device.
>It is my understanding that Apple has never worked with any government agency from any country to create a "backdoor" in any of our products and services.
>I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America that the foregoing is true and correct.
When China wants something from iCloud they do it the same way that law enforcement does it everywhere in the world, which is through Apple.
[1] https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2762131/C-D-Cal-16-Cm-00010-Dckt-000177-000-Filed-2016.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2762131/C-D-Cal-1...
[2] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2762118-Federighi-Decl-Executed.html#document/p1 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2762118-Federighi-De...
- dang 7y agoPlease don't copy-paste the same comments on Hacker News. It lowers the signal-noise ratio. Threads are supposed to be conversations. In good conversation, people don't recite boilerplate at each other.
- joshuamorton 7y agoApple itself states that it cannot access data in China without permission from the contracting company. Why would the Chinese government ask apple for data it can't provide, but a Chinese company could? Also note your documents are from 2016, these events mostly started in 2017.
- Despegar 7y agoThe boilerplate ToS doesn't contradict anything they've said in the court filings I linked to or the press statements and Tim Cook's interview (linked to in the original thread) about how iPhone/iCloud security works in China.
- president 7y agoIf you look at "E. Access to Your Account and Content" section in the Chinese iCloud T&C [1], it seems like there is an extra clause there not present in the same section in the US T&C [2]. "...You understand and agree that Apple and GCBD will have access to all data that you store on this service, including the right to share, exchange and disclose all user data, including Content, to and between each other under applicable law." Shouldn't this be cause for concern? [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/gcbd-terms.html https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/gcbd... [2] https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/terms.html https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/term...
- Despegar 7y agoApple has said in statements to the press, as well as Tim Cook's interview with Vice, that they retain the keys and that they haven't been made available to GCBD. >Originally, iCloud data was stored on Apple-controlled servers, with the Cupertino company holding the encryption keys. Apple announced a year ago that this would change to comply with new laws in China, and that data for Chinese iCloud accounts would be moved to a server run by Guizhou-Cloud Big Data (GCBD), a company owned by the provincial government. >However, I have spoken to Apple today, who confirmed that it still holds the encryption keys, and states categorically that they have not been made available to either GCBD or China Telecom. https://9to5mac.com/2018/07/18/chinese-icloud-data-china-telecom/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/07/18/chinese-icloud-data-china-tel...