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This also mirrors Chinese vs. American values perfectly. The Chinese believe in the Apple model of safety, greater good, social harmony, and the ends justifyin

by aianus 7y ago

This also mirrors Chinese vs. American values perfectly. The Chinese believe in the Apple model of safety, greater good, social harmony, and the ends justifying the means over individual liberties. The concentration camps, great firewall, IP theft, everything we see as dysfunctional about China stems from this belief system. Americans don't believe in the "greater good" or "the ends justify the means" and it results in uniquely American dysfunctions like mass shootings and homeless people shitting in the street in SF. Still, like you, I have no interest in switching to the other camp. It is a basic value system ingrained in me.

moogleii 7y ago
This is a terrible generalization and greatly conflates the people and the government of China, which has been ignoring philosophers and politicians extolling such values for decades.
chapium 7y ago
I'd hope that a society can believe in a collective good without resorting to concentration camps.
CharlesColeman 7y ago
> This also mirrors Chinese vs. American values perfectly. > The Chinese believe in the Apple model of safety, greater good, social harmony, and the ends justifying the means over individual liberties. The concentration camps, great firewall, IP theft, everything we see as dysfunctional about China stems from this belief system. By "Chinese" do you mean the Chinese people, Chinese culture, of the Communist Party of China?
magduf 7y ago
As the other responder says, this is a terrible generalization. Japan also has a society where the greater good and social harmony are highly valued, and they don't have things like concentration camps, a great firewall, IP theft, etc. However, in the US, we do have concentration camps. We call them "migrant detention centers", and people are forced to drink water from the toilet there, and small children are forcibly separate from their mothers. It seems to me that the US is more similar to China than you think.

by aianus 7y ago

moogleii 7y ago

This is a terrible generalization and greatly conflates the people and the government of China, which has been ignoring philosophers and politicians extolling such values for decades.

chapium 7y ago

I'd hope that a society can believe in a collective good without resorting to concentration camps.

CharlesColeman 7y ago

> This also mirrors Chinese vs. American values perfectly. > The Chinese believe in the Apple model of safety, greater good, social harmony, and the ends justifying the means over individual liberties. The concentration camps, great firewall, IP theft, everything we see as dysfunctional about China stems from this belief system. By "Chinese" do you mean the Chinese people, Chinese culture, of the Communist Party of China?

magduf 7y ago

As the other responder says, this is a terrible generalization. Japan also has a society where the greater good and social harmony are highly valued, and they don't have things like concentration camps, a great firewall, IP theft, etc. However, in the US, we do have concentration camps. We call them "migrant detention centers", and people are forced to drink water from the toilet there, and small children are forcibly separate from their mothers. It seems to me that the US is more similar to China than you think.