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Great post detailing everything wrong with Catalina so far. I installed it on my personal Mac, and that scared me off of ever installing it on my work laptop. H

Great post detailing everything wrong with Catalina so far. I installed it on my personal Mac, and that scared me off of ever installing it on my work laptop. Hopefully I can jump to whatever the next thing is. Or maybe it's time to get off Macs for good.

Animats 7y ago
Or maybe it's time to get off Macs for good. At least don't try to use the version of Linux under MacOS as a Linux system. The OP is running cron jobs and Python in the background, and changes in the Apple security environment broke them. If you need to run Linux stuff, put it on a real Linux system.
- recursive 7y ago
  How about running it as a BSD system?
  - Porthos9K 7y ago
    If you want a BSD system, run {Free,Net,Open,Dragonfly}BSD. You can do it on cheaper and better hardware than Apple offers. It just might not look as stylish, but who cares? T-series Thinkpads have better keyboards than Macbooks, and you can still get a used T60 for less than a hundred bucks. (More recent models will cost more, but you'd be shocked at what you can do with a T60 once you get a new battery, max out the RAM, and replace the HDD with a SSD.)
    - cfallin 7y ago
      I'd just like to second the used-Thinkpad route. I picked up an X250 (Skylake i5) on eBay last spring for $160, and after maxing out RAM (8GB), a decent SSD and a new battery I'm out ~$350 for something that is both indestructible and quite zippy. Yes, it's not shiny, but IMHO it's a far more practical Unix-y workstation. (I mainly run Linux but I've tested OpenBSD too and everything Just Works.)
- bsg75 7y ago
  Python and cron are not unique to nor did they originate in Linux. They should be expected to work on all Unix derivatives including BSD and macOS.
- schappim 7y ago
  >> don't try to use the version of Linux under MacOS MacOS is based on Unix not Linux. However, I mostly agree with your sentiment and would extend it to “use the right tool for the job”. Use launchd (although I hear it is on the way out) instead of Cron etc.
  - fortran77 7y ago
    It's based on Mach via NeXTStep. Not Unix.
    - justinator 7y ago
      Way back in the day, Mac OS X was, "Unix Certified(tm)", so it's correct to say it's unix, technically. Has that certification changed?
      - 4ad 7y ago
        macOS catalina is UNIX certified: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register
    - schappim 7y ago
      Ummm not in the dimension I live in. Ever since the launch of Mac OS X, Apple has considered and marketed macOS / the Mach micro kernel as a Unix. See: https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/801429696172374556/ https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/801429696172374556/
    - jki275 7y ago
      macOS is Unix. It's the only successful desktop Unix that's ever been published.
      - deleted 7y ago
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  - wila 7y ago
    The exact same problem happens when you use launchd.
- mrzool 7y ago
  macOS runs on Darwin, which is a BSD derivative. There’s no Linux involved at any level as far as I know. Also, cron is a standard Unix tool that predates Linux by at least a couple of decades I think.
- filmgirlcw 7y ago
  How dare a user run a Unix utility on his Unix computer...
- magicbuzz 7y ago
  lol
- tathougies 7y ago
  But OS X is a unix, and linux is not. If you want to run unix utilities, you should probably do that on a real unix.

Animats 7y ago

Or maybe it's time to get off Macs for good. At least don't try to use the version of Linux under MacOS as a Linux system. The OP is running cron jobs and Python in the background, and changes in the Apple security environment broke them. If you need to run Linux stuff, put it on a real Linux system.

recursive 7y ago
How about running it as a BSD system?
- Porthos9K 7y ago
  If you want a BSD system, run {Free,Net,Open,Dragonfly}BSD. You can do it on cheaper and better hardware than Apple offers. It just might not look as stylish, but who cares? T-series Thinkpads have better keyboards than Macbooks, and you can still get a used T60 for less than a hundred bucks. (More recent models will cost more, but you'd be shocked at what you can do with a T60 once you get a new battery, max out the RAM, and replace the HDD with a SSD.)
  - cfallin 7y ago
    I'd just like to second the used-Thinkpad route. I picked up an X250 (Skylake i5) on eBay last spring for $160, and after maxing out RAM (8GB), a decent SSD and a new battery I'm out ~$350 for something that is both indestructible and quite zippy. Yes, it's not shiny, but IMHO it's a far more practical Unix-y workstation. (I mainly run Linux but I've tested OpenBSD too and everything Just Works.)
bsg75 7y ago
Python and cron are not unique to nor did they originate in Linux. They should be expected to work on all Unix derivatives including BSD and macOS.
schappim 7y ago
>> don't try to use the version of Linux under MacOS MacOS is based on Unix not Linux. However, I mostly agree with your sentiment and would extend it to “use the right tool for the job”. Use launchd (although I hear it is on the way out) instead of Cron etc.
- fortran77 7y ago
  It's based on Mach via NeXTStep. Not Unix.
  - justinator 7y ago
    Way back in the day, Mac OS X was, "Unix Certified(tm)", so it's correct to say it's unix, technically. Has that certification changed?
    - 4ad 7y ago
      macOS catalina is UNIX certified: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register
  - schappim 7y ago
    Ummm not in the dimension I live in. Ever since the launch of Mac OS X, Apple has considered and marketed macOS / the Mach micro kernel as a Unix. See: https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/801429696172374556/ https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/801429696172374556/
  - jki275 7y ago
    macOS is Unix. It's the only successful desktop Unix that's ever been published.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
- wila 7y ago
  The exact same problem happens when you use launchd.
mrzool 7y ago
macOS runs on Darwin, which is a BSD derivative. There’s no Linux involved at any level as far as I know. Also, cron is a standard Unix tool that predates Linux by at least a couple of decades I think.
filmgirlcw 7y ago
How dare a user run a Unix utility on his Unix computer...
magicbuzz 7y ago
lol
tathougies 7y ago
But OS X is a unix, and linux is not. If you want to run unix utilities, you should probably do that on a real unix.