> People being convinced by reasoned argument, and perhaps by skilled oratory is how the political process works. In utopia. But in reality, it is possible to

> People being convinced by reasoned argument, and perhaps by skilled oratory is how the political process works. In utopia. But in reality, it is possible to simultaneously hold that many people vote for very stupid reasons, and that their votes should be respected anyway. Personally I am convinced that there never has been an election anywhere where the majority of voters on all sides were properly informed by facts and not motivated by ideology or outright lies. Some in the UK imply that the referendum should be re-run because of those lies, just like some in the US imply the 2016 election was illegitimate because of Russian interference. That way lies madness, since every side in every election lies and manipulates, and every election would have to be re-run ad infinitum.