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It's really stupid of the EU that they don't really want to properly enforce their own borders and instead outsource this job to a semi-dictator.

by wsc981 7y ago

vkou 7y ago
It's stupid how we spend a decade destabilizing a region, and then aren't willing to deal with the humanitarian consequences of our actions. Start a war? Be ready to deal with the refugees displaced by it.
- reggintoggaf 7y ago
  US does it, and EU is supposed to eat shit?
dmortin 7y ago
It's not trivial to enforce a maritime border. What do you do if people come on boats? You can pick them up from the boats, but Turkey won't take them back. What then?
- morningseagulls 7y ago
  >You can pick them up from the boats, but Turkey won't take them back. What then? <sarcasm> Well... has anyone ever heard of Australia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Australia >Australia is the only country in the world with a policy of mandatory detention and offshore processing of asylum seekers who arrive without a valid visa. Find some islands somewhere and send the refugees there. And then wait. Oh, and make threatening videos like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvz3U-JOvOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvz3U-JOvOU </sarcasm>
  - pkaye 7y ago
    I'm curious how all this is different from what Trump has been attempting to do at the US border? So shipping asylum seekers to a country with a semi-dictator or an island somewhere is considered acceptable?
    - deogeo 7y ago
      If having a dictator rules out a country, then according to this map, we'd have to take in nearly everyone: https://planetrulers.com/current-dictators/ https://planetrulers.com/current-dictators/
    - morningseagulls 7y ago
      >So shipping asylum seekers to a country with a semi-dictator or an island somewhere is considered acceptable? I had <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags there... Australia's asylum policy has been the subject of both domestic and international criticism,[0] particularly with its policy of mandatory detention of unlawful arrivals.[1] >I'm curious how all this is different from what Trump has been attempting to do at the US border? Trump LOVES the Australian asylum policy and has been praising it since 2017.[2][3] As the New York Times pointed out in July, "Trump’s immigration approach isn’t new: Europe and Australia went first".[4] In fact, the Trump travel ban[5] is pretty much how the White Australia policy[6] would have looked like if Deakin, the attorney-general of the first federal government, had not watered down the original racial criteria in the Immigration Restriction Bill to the dictation test.[7] The bill was one of the concessions demanded by the Labor party (yes, the same centre-left union-based party that is oh-so-progressive today[8]) in exchange for supporting the minority Barton government.[9] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Australia#Public_debate_and_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Australia#Public_deb... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_Austr... [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/donald-trump-tweets-support-for-australias-immigration-policy/11251800 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/donald-trump-tweets-s... [3] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/trump-somehow-made-australia-s-prime-minister-seem-reasonable-on-refugees.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/trump-somehow-ma... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/world/immigration-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/world/immigration-trump.h... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_travel_ban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_travel_ban [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Restriction_Act_1901 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Restriction_Act_19... [8] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-08/albanese-shorten-labor-australians-first-ad-criticised/8506358 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-08/albanese-shorten-labo... [9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Government#Immigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Government#Immigration
  - aaomidi 7y ago
    I've had a friend of mine die when he went to Australia like this. Anything to get out of Iran.
    - morningseagulls 7y ago
      I'm really sorry to hear that. I'm also very puzzled: why would people take the sea route to Australia? I can understand crossing the Mediterranean sea by boat, but sailing to Australia is far more risky.
- mamon 7y ago
  I'm not a Nobel-winning physicist, but I'm pretty sure boats will sink if you make big enough hole in them. Keep doing that until the rest of wanna-be immigrants gets the message.
  - deleted 7y ago
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wrnr 7y ago
The EU paid 6 billion to help Turkey with its migration crisis[1]. In addition to this, they also receive money from other funds like Horizon2020, funding for industry innovation, as part of the pathway of Turkeys to get full EU membership. This is crazy. I am not even against paying for facilities for refugees outside of the EU or give grants for research. We have a long history of cultural exchange dating back to the eastern roman empire and before. What a joke EU politics has become, no majority is in favor of Turkey joining the union, only the large diaspora of Turks. The Brexit is a mistake, The Donald is an idiot, but at least they made people get out of their sofa and vote instead of this semi-democracy we call the EU. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/news_corner/migration_en https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/news_corner/m...
- mcsofake 7y ago
  > The EU paid 6 billion to help Turkey with its migration crisis Turkey has spent more than $30 billion on refugees [1]. 6B just doesn't cut it, unfortunately. [1] https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-continues-to-be-top-refugee-hosting-country-/1510602 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-continues-to-be-top-r...
- xbmcuser 7y ago
  Eu countries take out $50-100 billion a year out of Africa through corruption if they would stop that they would not have to worry about refugees.
xbmcuser 7y ago
Well they can solve a large portion of the refugee crises by not allowing corrupt rulers of many of the countries that refugees come from put money in western banking accounts and properties.

It's really stupid of the EU that they don't really want to properly enforce their own borders and instead outsource this job to a semi-dictator.

by wsc981 7y ago

It's really stupid of the EU that they don't really want to properly enforce their own borders and instead outsource this job to a semi-dictator.

vkou 7y ago

It's stupid how we spend a decade destabilizing a region, and then aren't willing to deal with the humanitarian consequences of our actions. Start a war? Be ready to deal with the refugees displaced by it.

reggintoggaf 7y ago
US does it, and EU is supposed to eat shit?

dmortin 7y ago

It's not trivial to enforce a maritime border. What do you do if people come on boats? You can pick them up from the boats, but Turkey won't take them back. What then?

morningseagulls 7y ago
>You can pick them up from the boats, but Turkey won't take them back. What then? <sarcasm> Well... has anyone ever heard of Australia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Australia >Australia is the only country in the world with a policy of mandatory detention and offshore processing of asylum seekers who arrive without a valid visa. Find some islands somewhere and send the refugees there. And then wait. Oh, and make threatening videos like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvz3U-JOvOU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvz3U-JOvOU </sarcasm>
- pkaye 7y ago
  I'm curious how all this is different from what Trump has been attempting to do at the US border? So shipping asylum seekers to a country with a semi-dictator or an island somewhere is considered acceptable?
  - deogeo 7y ago
    If having a dictator rules out a country, then according to this map, we'd have to take in nearly everyone: https://planetrulers.com/current-dictators/ https://planetrulers.com/current-dictators/
  - morningseagulls 7y ago
    >So shipping asylum seekers to a country with a semi-dictator or an island somewhere is considered acceptable? I had <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags there... Australia's asylum policy has been the subject of both domestic and international criticism,[0] particularly with its policy of mandatory detention of unlawful arrivals.[1] >I'm curious how all this is different from what Trump has been attempting to do at the US border? Trump LOVES the Australian asylum policy and has been praising it since 2017.[2][3] As the New York Times pointed out in July, "Trump’s immigration approach isn’t new: Europe and Australia went first".[4] In fact, the Trump travel ban[5] is pretty much how the White Australia policy[6] would have looked like if Deakin, the attorney-general of the first federal government, had not watered down the original racial criteria in the Immigration Restriction Bill to the dictation test.[7] The bill was one of the concessions demanded by the Labor party (yes, the same centre-left union-based party that is oh-so-progressive today[8]) in exchange for supporting the minority Barton government.[9] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Australia#Public_debate_and_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_Australia#Public_deb... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_Austr... [2] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/donald-trump-tweets-support-for-australias-immigration-policy/11251800 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/donald-trump-tweets-s... [3] https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/trump-somehow-made-australia-s-prime-minister-seem-reasonable-on-refugees.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/trump-somehow-ma... [4] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/world/immigration-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/18/world/immigration-trump.h... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_travel_ban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_travel_ban [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy [7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Restriction_Act_1901 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Restriction_Act_19... [8] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-08/albanese-shorten-labor-australians-first-ad-criticised/8506358 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-08/albanese-shorten-labo... [9] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Government#Immigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Government#Immigration
- aaomidi 7y ago
  I've had a friend of mine die when he went to Australia like this. Anything to get out of Iran.
  - morningseagulls 7y ago
    I'm really sorry to hear that. I'm also very puzzled: why would people take the sea route to Australia? I can understand crossing the Mediterranean sea by boat, but sailing to Australia is far more risky.
mamon 7y ago
I'm not a Nobel-winning physicist, but I'm pretty sure boats will sink if you make big enough hole in them. Keep doing that until the rest of wanna-be immigrants gets the message.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]

wrnr 7y ago

The EU paid 6 billion to help Turkey with its migration crisis[1]. In addition to this, they also receive money from other funds like Horizon2020, funding for industry innovation, as part of the pathway of Turkeys to get full EU membership. This is crazy. I am not even against paying for facilities for refugees outside of the EU or give grants for research. We have a long history of cultural exchange dating back to the eastern roman empire and before. What a joke EU politics has become, no majority is in favor of Turkey joining the union, only the large diaspora of Turks. The Brexit is a mistake, The Donald is an idiot, but at least they made people get out of their sofa and vote instead of this semi-democracy we call the EU. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/news_corner/migration_en https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/news_corner/m...

mcsofake 7y ago
> The EU paid 6 billion to help Turkey with its migration crisis Turkey has spent more than $30 billion on refugees [1]. 6B just doesn't cut it, unfortunately. [1] https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-continues-to-be-top-refugee-hosting-country-/1510602 https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey-continues-to-be-top-r...
xbmcuser 7y ago
Eu countries take out $50-100 billion a year out of Africa through corruption if they would stop that they would not have to worry about refugees.

xbmcuser 7y ago

Well they can solve a large portion of the refugee crises by not allowing corrupt rulers of many of the countries that refugees come from put money in western banking accounts and properties.