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>- EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health care and tax authorities. So tell me, how does the EU magicall

>- EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health care and tax authorities. So tell me, how does the EU magically drum up money for all of this?

point78 7y ago
Make the immigrants/refugees actually work when they get here. Something like up to 80% are on welfare and public housing etc. You don't work or go to school, you go back.
- lawlessone 7y ago
  pretty much all of them want to work too. Many countries don't allow that though.
- pjc50 7y ago
  Asylum seekers are deliberately prevented from working in the UK, it's illegal for them to do so. They are paid £37.75 a week to live on. This is not a lot.
  - simonsarris 7y ago
    > They are paid £37.75 a week to live on. This is not a lot. Shifting discussion from the cost of refugees to talking about only the food cost, or whatever it is that £37.75 a week amounts to, seems like a deliberate dodge. I'd be pretty insulted if I was from the UK. Obviously that's not a lot of money because obviously its not the whole picture. What they are paid, or that they are paid at all, is never ever a relevant £ figure in these discussions unless its introduced to make it sound artificially small. When discussing cost, nothing but the total £ cost per refugee matters.
    - pjc50 7y ago
      Admittedly that excludes housing benefit, but again, when they are forbidden from working, where and how are they supposed to live? The stipend is for food and all other living expenses - clothes, heating etc.
beefield 7y ago
Primary source would be taxes from the charter city citizens. I do not believe that the people moving in would be completely helpless. Then the possible remainning part of the funding, well, at the moment quite a few European countries are borrowing money with negative interest rates. So I assume they can borrow quite a pile of money before the interedt rates become unbearable. And to be clear, this is in my mind one of the most important if not the most important thing EU should be investing money for its own sake. And EU does not need to give the money to charter cities, mo ey can be loaned as well.
- ohduran 7y ago
  Are you aware that the whole Brexit campaign revolved around the fact that giving money away to people abroad clashes with voters?
  - beefield 7y ago
    Loaning and investing is differwnt from giving. In my original post I tried to be clear that there are problems in this model. Unfortunately it looks to me like we need to solve them whether we like or not, so might be better to start solving them. Brexit did show that it is important how you sell things. And I am not a salesman...
  - ChuckNorris89 7y ago
    This x1000. The EU started to crack during the Greece financial crisis, way before the refugee crisis, since the Northern EU states didn't want to give any more money to the economically failing Southern EU states. If European taxpayers don't want their taxes going to other EU countries then that should tell you something about their desire to aid people outside the EU. Charity starts at home.
    - beefield 7y ago
      So, when the 3 million plus Syrians are starting to walk into EU from Turkey, are these people not willing to aid others going to volunteer to stand in the front line and tell them that they are not welcome? How are you going to solve that? 3 million people is quite a damn lot even if you have a couple of machine guns to try to help you in your negotiations.

>- EU guarantees funding for basic infrastructure like education, legal system, security, health care and tax authorities. So tell me, how does the EU magically drum up money for all of this?

point78 7y ago

Make the immigrants/refugees actually work when they get here. Something like up to 80% are on welfare and public housing etc. You don't work or go to school, you go back.

lawlessone 7y ago
pretty much all of them want to work too. Many countries don't allow that though.
pjc50 7y ago
Asylum seekers are deliberately prevented from working in the UK, it's illegal for them to do so. They are paid £37.75 a week to live on. This is not a lot.
- simonsarris 7y ago
  > They are paid £37.75 a week to live on. This is not a lot. Shifting discussion from the cost of refugees to talking about only the food cost, or whatever it is that £37.75 a week amounts to, seems like a deliberate dodge. I'd be pretty insulted if I was from the UK. Obviously that's not a lot of money because obviously its not the whole picture. What they are paid, or that they are paid at all, is never ever a relevant £ figure in these discussions unless its introduced to make it sound artificially small. When discussing cost, nothing but the total £ cost per refugee matters.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    Admittedly that excludes housing benefit, but again, when they are forbidden from working, where and how are they supposed to live? The stipend is for food and all other living expenses - clothes, heating etc.

beefield 7y ago

Primary source would be taxes from the charter city citizens. I do not believe that the people moving in would be completely helpless. Then the possible remainning part of the funding, well, at the moment quite a few European countries are borrowing money with negative interest rates. So I assume they can borrow quite a pile of money before the interedt rates become unbearable. And to be clear, this is in my mind one of the most important if not the most important thing EU should be investing money for its own sake. And EU does not need to give the money to charter cities, mo ey can be loaned as well.

ohduran 7y ago
Are you aware that the whole Brexit campaign revolved around the fact that giving money away to people abroad clashes with voters?
- beefield 7y ago
  Loaning and investing is differwnt from giving. In my original post I tried to be clear that there are problems in this model. Unfortunately it looks to me like we need to solve them whether we like or not, so might be better to start solving them. Brexit did show that it is important how you sell things. And I am not a salesman...
- ChuckNorris89 7y ago
  This x1000. The EU started to crack during the Greece financial crisis, way before the refugee crisis, since the Northern EU states didn't want to give any more money to the economically failing Southern EU states. If European taxpayers don't want their taxes going to other EU countries then that should tell you something about their desire to aid people outside the EU. Charity starts at home.
  - beefield 7y ago
    So, when the 3 million plus Syrians are starting to walk into EU from Turkey, are these people not willing to aid others going to volunteer to stand in the front line and tell them that they are not welcome? How are you going to solve that? 3 million people is quite a damn lot even if you have a couple of machine guns to try to help you in your negotiations.