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If Turkey got kicked out of NATO on bad terms, who do you think will step in to fill the power vacuum?

by iddqd 7y ago

remarkEon 7y ago
What power vacuum? What power projection is Turkey really capable of?
- dev_dull 7y ago
  Turkey is a huge trading partner to the US and not really a rival. They make the chassis to our next-gen fighter planes, for example. Why toss that aside?
  - remarkEon 7y ago
    Why toss that aside? I actually didn't know that the chassis for the F-35 is manufactured in Turkey. Do you have a source for this? If this is the case then it seems incredibly shortsighted to source a critical component from half-way around the world - from a country that obviously doesn't like us very much.
    - swingbrother 7y ago
      Lately mentioned by Trump on Twitter: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181547331822456832 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11815473318224568...
    - pmontra 7y ago
      https://www.f35.com/global/participation/turkey-industrial-participation https://www.f35.com/global/participation/turkey-industrial-p...
    - 0003 7y ago
      That's the way these things tend to work out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_procurement#Level_3_partners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning... This said, Turkey is being removed from the supply chain. Of course, this comes at about a a half a billion in costs... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-turkey-security-f35/pentagon-removing-turkey-from-f-35-program-after-its-purchase-of-russian-missile-defense-idUSKCN1UC2GL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-turkey-security-f35/p...
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > Turkey is a huge trading partner to the US Turkey’s entire economy is like half the size of New York City’s. And in any case, ejection from NATO doesn’t mean comprehensive sanctions.
- deleted 7y ago
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- treis 7y ago
  The parent is saying that Turkey will fall into Russia's (or maybe China's) orbit. I'm not sure how accurate that is because Russia backs Assad and Turkey is against them. There'd also be some tension in the Iran/Russia/Turkey triangle. IMHO, I don't think we should care that much. The middle East's importance is waning and it's been nothing but trouble for 50 years. Better to step back and let others play the game.
- chosenPixel 7y ago
  It has the second largest army in the NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO
  - adwww 7y ago
    Even in a cold war scenario though, I can't imagine that army was ever intended for anything other than defending Turkey and looking after their own interests. They have successfully played the west in exchange for a few US air bases.
zwieback 7y ago
I don't think whatever power Turkey has is controlled by NATO. At this point I'm more concerned about the Collective Defense article - would NATO be aligned against Turkey's enemies? I don't think so.

If Turkey got kicked out of NATO on bad terms, who do you think will step in to fill the power vacuum?

by iddqd 7y ago

If Turkey got kicked out of NATO on bad terms, who do you think will step in to fill the power vacuum?

remarkEon 7y ago

What power vacuum? What power projection is Turkey really capable of?

dev_dull 7y ago
Turkey is a huge trading partner to the US and not really a rival. They make the chassis to our next-gen fighter planes, for example. Why toss that aside?
- remarkEon 7y ago
  Why toss that aside? I actually didn't know that the chassis for the F-35 is manufactured in Turkey. Do you have a source for this? If this is the case then it seems incredibly shortsighted to source a critical component from half-way around the world - from a country that obviously doesn't like us very much.
  - swingbrother 7y ago
    Lately mentioned by Trump on Twitter: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181547331822456832 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11815473318224568...
  - pmontra 7y ago
    https://www.f35.com/global/participation/turkey-industrial-participation https://www.f35.com/global/participation/turkey-industrial-p...
  - 0003 7y ago
    That's the way these things tend to work out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_procurement#Level_3_partners https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning... This said, Turkey is being removed from the supply chain. Of course, this comes at about a a half a billion in costs... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-turkey-security-f35/pentagon-removing-turkey-from-f-35-program-after-its-purchase-of-russian-missile-defense-idUSKCN1UC2GL https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-turkey-security-f35/p...
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > Turkey is a huge trading partner to the US Turkey’s entire economy is like half the size of New York City’s. And in any case, ejection from NATO doesn’t mean comprehensive sanctions.
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treis 7y ago
The parent is saying that Turkey will fall into Russia's (or maybe China's) orbit. I'm not sure how accurate that is because Russia backs Assad and Turkey is against them. There'd also be some tension in the Iran/Russia/Turkey triangle. IMHO, I don't think we should care that much. The middle East's importance is waning and it's been nothing but trouble for 50 years. Better to step back and let others play the game.
chosenPixel 7y ago
It has the second largest army in the NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO
- adwww 7y ago
  Even in a cold war scenario though, I can't imagine that army was ever intended for anything other than defending Turkey and looking after their own interests. They have successfully played the west in exchange for a few US air bases.

zwieback 7y ago

I don't think whatever power Turkey has is controlled by NATO. At this point I'm more concerned about the Collective Defense article - would NATO be aligned against Turkey's enemies? I don't think so.