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Allowing the rise of authoritarianism would seem like a complicated and super risky move considering the impact to lower class people

whoevercares 7y ago
I agree with your point in its final form. Unfortunately it doesn’t work at the moment since you at least need to convince some tens of millions Chinese people who have been lifted from poverty under CCP during past 30 years, or you have to wait until Chinese government make things much worse. Before that, some sanction move from western might be viewed as political coercion from mainland Chinese people’s perspective and we probably could guess what it’ll lead to (wars). I think it’s good enough now to exert influence from HK &Taiwan or China’s neighbors, but I do think any other move is dangerous
- snagglegaggle 7y ago
  Wait, are you trying to say China is more powerful than the US? Why give in to appeasement? I don't really care if their feelings are hurt.
  - whoevercares 7y ago
    Hmm maybe my written English caused some confusion, why you interpret it like that? Are you saying the more powerful ones don’t have to give in anything? In current world I don’t think such landslide advantage still exists I’m saying negotiations and better strategy are needed. Ignoring feelings and demands from millions of people won’t work beyond keyboard, virtual or physical
    - snagglegaggle 7y ago
      Realize that historically we have been doing what you suggest. The West invested heavily in China hoping the increased standard of living would liberalize the country. It is clear that has not worked. It looks like the problem may become worse, and if it does, then war becomes more likely, not less, the only alternative being the West becoming subservient to China. Taking a strong stance now and cutting off China from the market is likely one of the better options if the CCP won't capitulate. They have high tech manufacturing and internal demand but likely can't support their economy at its current level with only an inward focus. Negotiations and strategy have been going on for 50 or so years. There are certain items the Chinese government does not want to budge on that are incompatible with a free market.

whoevercares 7y ago

I agree with your point in its final form. Unfortunately it doesn’t work at the moment since you at least need to convince some tens of millions Chinese people who have been lifted from poverty under CCP during past 30 years, or you have to wait until Chinese government make things much worse. Before that, some sanction move from western might be viewed as political coercion from mainland Chinese people’s perspective and we probably could guess what it’ll lead to (wars). I think it’s good enough now to exert influence from HK &Taiwan or China’s neighbors, but I do think any other move is dangerous

snagglegaggle 7y ago
Wait, are you trying to say China is more powerful than the US? Why give in to appeasement? I don't really care if their feelings are hurt.
- whoevercares 7y ago
  Hmm maybe my written English caused some confusion, why you interpret it like that? Are you saying the more powerful ones don’t have to give in anything? In current world I don’t think such landslide advantage still exists I’m saying negotiations and better strategy are needed. Ignoring feelings and demands from millions of people won’t work beyond keyboard, virtual or physical
  - snagglegaggle 7y ago
    Realize that historically we have been doing what you suggest. The West invested heavily in China hoping the increased standard of living would liberalize the country. It is clear that has not worked. It looks like the problem may become worse, and if it does, then war becomes more likely, not less, the only alternative being the West becoming subservient to China. Taking a strong stance now and cutting off China from the market is likely one of the better options if the CCP won't capitulate. They have high tech manufacturing and internal demand but likely can't support their economy at its current level with only an inward focus. Negotiations and strategy have been going on for 50 or so years. There are certain items the Chinese government does not want to budge on that are incompatible with a free market.