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That doesn't really address the issue he raises though, you are somewhat forced to use modern devices if you wish to partake in the world/society. In addition i

That doesn't really address the issue he raises though, you are somewhat forced to use modern devices if you wish to partake in the world/society. In addition if you get the choice at work between certain laptops and certain phones, you are absolutely forced to use those. In addition if you look at the alternatives in the smartphone branch you get the choice between high-end android-based devices and iOS devices or outdated mid-range hardware with relatively poor support and you might not have all the apps you require. In addition to that there aren't any services out there as well integrated as apples ecosystem is. (device to device), so if you want features like that you don't really have much of a choice outside of the big three.

enriquto 7y ago
> In addition to that there aren't any services out there as well integrated as apples ecosystem is. (device to device) Yes, there are compromises to be made between convenience and freedom. You are arguing that you prefer convenience than freedom; congrats.
- BigJ1211 7y ago
  I am not arguing that at all, you are arguing that there are plenty of alternatives, implying they are just as good quality wise. They are simply not. From almost all perspectives they are objectively worse, except for privacy. Features, Security and convenience are all significantly better on Apple, Microsoft and Google products. This is not a value-statement, I'm not saying one approach is better than the other. This completely depends on what you personally value most, if you care exclusively about your privacy then you will have to sacrifice a lot of in other departments to achieve that, if it's worth that to you go for it. The point I was arguing though; if you have to make a choice between these large corporations and what you care about most is your privacy, then Apple is probably your best bet.
  - enriquto 7y ago
    > I am not arguing that at all, you are arguing that there are plenty of alternatives, implying they are just as good quality wise. They are simply not. I am not implying that. You have alternatives, and they are less convenient, but more respectful of your rights. You get to make a choice, depending on a trade-off between your values.

enriquto 7y ago

> In addition to that there aren't any services out there as well integrated as apples ecosystem is. (device to device) Yes, there are compromises to be made between convenience and freedom. You are arguing that you prefer convenience than freedom; congrats.

BigJ1211 7y ago
I am not arguing that at all, you are arguing that there are plenty of alternatives, implying they are just as good quality wise. They are simply not. From almost all perspectives they are objectively worse, except for privacy. Features, Security and convenience are all significantly better on Apple, Microsoft and Google products. This is not a value-statement, I'm not saying one approach is better than the other. This completely depends on what you personally value most, if you care exclusively about your privacy then you will have to sacrifice a lot of in other departments to achieve that, if it's worth that to you go for it. The point I was arguing though; if you have to make a choice between these large corporations and what you care about most is your privacy, then Apple is probably your best bet.
- enriquto 7y ago
  > I am not arguing that at all, you are arguing that there are plenty of alternatives, implying they are just as good quality wise. They are simply not. I am not implying that. You have alternatives, and they are less convenient, but more respectful of your rights. You get to make a choice, depending on a trade-off between your values.