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Apple makes money on their HW and their media sales and application sales. You have to spend the money by choice for Apple to make money. What does most of the

Apple makes money on their HW and their media sales and application sales. You have to spend the money by choice for Apple to make money. What does most of the world pay Google for? At Google you are the product. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand. The same goes for FB.

megous 7y ago
Just because you pay for something doesn't make the incentives to screw you over to get even more money go away. Does it? Various user-blaming shenanigans, when Apple messes up their HW design can serve as an example. "You're holding it wrong", "You're putting the phone in your pocket", "You're using keyboard wrong in a real world with dust and stuff", etc.
CraneWorm 7y ago
> Apple makes money on their HW and their media sales and application sales. I don't see why they can't make some extra by making you the product as well. Also, people who are into Apple are known to be willing to pay for stuff. A very lucrative group for everyone.
- sjwright 7y ago
  Please, be serious for a moment. It would have to be an amount of money to be worth the risk and therefore show up in quarterlies. Also there would have to be a buyer. And there would have to be a bunch of companies Apple shopped their data to. And thousands of employees and ex-employees. You really think Apple could keep a thousand ex-employees quiet? Think about it for a moment—if they were doing it, its leaking would be a certainty. And if it leaked, Apple would be in very deep doo-doo with easily the largest class action the company has ever been hit with. It would be an unacceptable risk to even contemplate such a stupid idea. All for what, a few extra pennies?
- panpanna 7y ago
  HP is making money on HW. They are also making money from your data. Adobe is making money from selling software. They also make money from their telemetry system. etc...
mda 7y ago
I don't see a big difference, I would trust my data with the competent one. Especially when I look at Apple / China situation. It just shows what their actual focus is.
- BigJ1211 7y ago
  This is the case with all these corporations, making money is their primary concern. In addition their options are 'comply to our laws if you want to sell your products here' or 'no selling on this market'. Not justifying their actions, this just isn't a uniquely Apple thing.
paulcarroty 7y ago
> At Google you are the product. Nothing prevent Microsoft to sells Windows Home/Pro as beta version of Enterprise and gets money & free QA. If you pays money nothing guarantee your personal data will be used too.
- BigJ1211 7y ago
  That is mostly true, people are generally concerned with the way Windows 10 handles disabling telemetry and other privacy concerns such as automatically reinstalling or reenabling 'features' after updates. In addition you get the bonus of having ads in your start menu by default, a mess of features/software you can't remove and opting out of everything is quite the process. You can of course sniff your network traffic to see what does get collected, and that way you at least know what they collected and you can imagine how it can be used and abused.

megous 7y ago

Just because you pay for something doesn't make the incentives to screw you over to get even more money go away. Does it? Various user-blaming shenanigans, when Apple messes up their HW design can serve as an example. "You're holding it wrong", "You're putting the phone in your pocket", "You're using keyboard wrong in a real world with dust and stuff", etc.

CraneWorm 7y ago

> Apple makes money on their HW and their media sales and application sales. I don't see why they can't make some extra by making you the product as well. Also, people who are into Apple are known to be willing to pay for stuff. A very lucrative group for everyone.

sjwright 7y ago
Please, be serious for a moment. It would have to be an amount of money to be worth the risk and therefore show up in quarterlies. Also there would have to be a buyer. And there would have to be a bunch of companies Apple shopped their data to. And thousands of employees and ex-employees. You really think Apple could keep a thousand ex-employees quiet? Think about it for a moment—if they were doing it, its leaking would be a certainty. And if it leaked, Apple would be in very deep doo-doo with easily the largest class action the company has ever been hit with. It would be an unacceptable risk to even contemplate such a stupid idea. All for what, a few extra pennies?
panpanna 7y ago
HP is making money on HW. They are also making money from your data. Adobe is making money from selling software. They also make money from their telemetry system. etc...

mda 7y ago

I don't see a big difference, I would trust my data with the competent one. Especially when I look at Apple / China situation. It just shows what their actual focus is.

BigJ1211 7y ago
This is the case with all these corporations, making money is their primary concern. In addition their options are 'comply to our laws if you want to sell your products here' or 'no selling on this market'. Not justifying their actions, this just isn't a uniquely Apple thing.

paulcarroty 7y ago

> At Google you are the product. Nothing prevent Microsoft to sells Windows Home/Pro as beta version of Enterprise and gets money & free QA. If you pays money nothing guarantee your personal data will be used too.

BigJ1211 7y ago
That is mostly true, people are generally concerned with the way Windows 10 handles disabling telemetry and other privacy concerns such as automatically reinstalling or reenabling 'features' after updates. In addition you get the bonus of having ads in your start menu by default, a mess of features/software you can't remove and opting out of everything is quite the process. You can of course sniff your network traffic to see what does get collected, and that way you at least know what they collected and you can imagine how it can be used and abused.