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> If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device. A warrant is not required. Federal agents can search your pho
by igammarays 7y ago
> If you are a US citizen, you can't be turned away at the border or forced to unlock the device.
A warrant is not required. Federal agents can search your phone at the US border, even if you're a US citizen [1]. If they can't unlock it, they can seize it [2].
[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-your-phone-at-the-airport-2017-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-...
[2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/05/01/u-s-customs-can-seize-your-phone-when-you-return-home-abroad/3632116002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/05/01/u-s-customs-c...
- toomanybeersies 7y agoThose two points aren't exclusive. They've now seized a secure phone and are still required to let you enter the country. I wonder what would happen if you tried to claim insurance on a phone seized at the border?
- rendall 7y agoYou are both correct. Incidentally, the "border" for legal purposes extends 100 miles into the interior.
- jeroenhd 7y agoExactly this. And remember that international airports are also borders!
- sombremesa 7y agoSo does it extend 100 miles from airports?
- jeroenhd 7y agoYes, but only the international ones. About 65% of the US population lives in such a zone according to this article: https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/05/who-lives-in-border-patrols-100-mile-zone-probably-you-mapped/558275/ https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/05/who-lives-in-border-p...
- ekianjo 7y agoWow, thats a generous definition of borders.
- rmcpherson 7y agoThe linked article does not show it extending 100 miles from international airports. Nor does the text say that.
- jeroenhd 7y agoI don't know the scale of the US so I thought it was 100 miles. I got the 100 mile number from here: https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
- dsfyu404ed 7y agoIIRC no. They wanted to but the FBI gang didn't want the CBP gang dealing on its turf so it got nixed. That doesn't mean it didn't fly under the radar later though.
- briandear 7y agoNo it doesn’t. The border zone is for land borders.
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- david-s 7y agoIt's absurd
- kmlx 7y agoland of the so-called free.
- vinay427 7y agoIt's still, at least on paper, freer than many/most other Western countries in most ways AFAIK. I agree that this is a very absurd counterexample, however.
- jamienicol 7y ago[citation needed]
- jw1224 7y agoCan you give a few examples of ways in which a US citizen is more free than I, a UK citizen, am?
- obituary_latte 7y agoI don’t think they said “more free than UK citizens”. Although, to be fair, US doesn’t have quite as intrusive CCTV. And I thought gun laws were pretty restrictive in UK? But “most ways” is probably a reach, and there are certainly things UK does do much better. Edit: would appreciate feedback if my comment is not constructive or could be improved in some way.
- the_mitsuhiko 7y agoFor me as a European "gun laws were pretty restrictive in UK" for me means freedom more than access to guns does. I quite value the freedom of not having to worry about guns.
- michaelmior 7y agoSince the topic came up, it's worth noting that the Border Zone Reasonableness Restoration Act of 2019 proposes reducing this distance to 25 miles along with some other changes. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/2180/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/218...
- abstractbarista 7y agoThats the point. Search my strongly-encryoted device to your heart's content! That does not require I decrypt it first.
- fron 7y agoEasy to say when you haven't been detained for 12+ hours. They don't care if you're a U.S. citizen when they can just decide the law is optional. Safest solution is to just backup, wipe, enter the country, then restore.