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I mentioned this in another post. But Vy has their own developers, and the development teams here contains a mix of Vy and Bekk developers. As such, Vy has enou

I mentioned this in another post. But Vy has their own developers, and the development teams here contains a mix of Vy and Bekk developers. As such, Vy has enough Elm experience to handle any future turnover.

roschdal 7y ago
The external consultant developers are incentivized to keep essential knowledge to themselves, in order to get new contracts later. The supplier's IT consultants (Bekk) don't share essential knowledge with the customer's developers (Vy).
- Skinney 7y ago
  We're working at the same location. On the same codebase. With the same access to our version control and issue tracker. There is full transparency. We even help Vy train their new hires. We're incentivized to work this way because that makes the customer feel safe. Which is how we win contracts.
- kvalle 7y ago
  It might be that way where you work, but that's definitely not the case here. In fact, I think what you suggest would be an extremely short-sighted "strategy" for a consultancy. Sure, you might get the next contract working this way. But once the customer could get rid of you they would, and they would never hire you again.
  - roschdal 7y ago
    Then please answer why Elm was chosen instead of some mainstream programming language/framework. Choosing Elm seems like a very risky choice for something as important as railways.
    - Skinney 7y ago
      Elm is a frontend language. Java works on the backend. At Vy, Elm is used for frontend, Java and Kotlin for backend.
      - roschdal 7y ago
        This doesn't address the issue of mainstream technology, versus bleeding-edge, obscure, niche technology such as Elm. Kotlin in the backend isn't a mainstream technology choice either.
        Skinney 7y ago
        Elm was chosen because we believed it to be a better language than those which are mainstream right now. We believed it would make us more productive, prevent bugs before they reached production, be better at local reasoning and make it easier to onboard new people. So far we are not dissapointed, and in my opinion Elm is on its way to become mainstream because of these things.

roschdal 7y ago

The external consultant developers are incentivized to keep essential knowledge to themselves, in order to get new contracts later. The supplier's IT consultants (Bekk) don't share essential knowledge with the customer's developers (Vy).

Skinney 7y ago
We're working at the same location. On the same codebase. With the same access to our version control and issue tracker. There is full transparency. We even help Vy train their new hires. We're incentivized to work this way because that makes the customer feel safe. Which is how we win contracts.
kvalle 7y ago
It might be that way where you work, but that's definitely not the case here. In fact, I think what you suggest would be an extremely short-sighted "strategy" for a consultancy. Sure, you might get the next contract working this way. But once the customer could get rid of you they would, and they would never hire you again.
- roschdal 7y ago
  Then please answer why Elm was chosen instead of some mainstream programming language/framework. Choosing Elm seems like a very risky choice for something as important as railways.
  - Skinney 7y ago
    Elm is a frontend language. Java works on the backend. At Vy, Elm is used for frontend, Java and Kotlin for backend.
    - roschdal 7y ago
      This doesn't address the issue of mainstream technology, versus bleeding-edge, obscure, niche technology such as Elm. Kotlin in the backend isn't a mainstream technology choice either.
      - Skinney 7y ago
        Elm was chosen because we believed it to be a better language than those which are mainstream right now. We believed it would make us more productive, prevent bugs before they reached production, be better at local reasoning and make it easier to onboard new people. So far we are not dissapointed, and in my opinion Elm is on its way to become mainstream because of these things.