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Morality is a complicated thing. More people die of murders by gun in the united states then in china. Is it moral to deprive man of his right to own a gun in

Morality is a complicated thing. More people die of murders by gun in the united states then in china. Is it moral to deprive man of his right to own a gun in order to allow another man to keep his right to life? There's hatred raging against China due to hong kong, but the truth is far more complex. A hundred times more complex than even the example I gave. Centralized control has a cost, but it also has a benefit.

dunstad 7y ago
You need to understand that just because there are upsides and downsides doesn't imply they're in any way equal, and pretending they are causes plenty of harm.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago
  No it doesn't but if you knew what u were talking about you would know that the United States is just as bad as china. The difference is the United States isn't open about it.
  - atlantacrackers 7y ago
    Absurd.
  - fastball 7y ago
    The state allowing freedom of choice and certain members of society abusing that choice is not nearly as bad as a state which executes its own citizens for various baseless reasons.
    - crimsonalucard 7y ago
      A corrupt state controlled by corporate interests that spies on its own citizens and limits freedom of speech under the guise of national security is just as bad. China is not executing people for baseless reasons.
carapace 7y ago
FWIW, I grew up in a city on the Pacific rim (San Francisco) and Chinese people have always been a part of my culture. Our first Chinese New Year Festival and Parade was in held in 1858. (California was still part of Mexico only twelve years earlier.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Chinese_New_Year_Festival_and_Parade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Chinese_New_Year... I don't hate China, but I fear the CCP. I was reading a book about China written by an American journalist who was invited to visit in the 70's, when the Middle Kingdom was still literally mysterious to the West, and it dawned on me that there is no way a barbarian like myself could ever understand China. It's too vast, too old. My culture looks like an adolescent compared to yours. I'm not ashamed to admit it. For example, the persecution and repression of the Falun Gong seems obviously wrong. But then I read about the Taiping Rebellion... > For over a decade, the Taiping occupied and fought across much of the mid and lower Yangtze valley. Ultimately devolving into total war, the conflict between the Taiping and the Qing was the largest in China since the Qing conquest in 1644 and it involved every province of China proper except Gansu. It ranks as one of the bloodiest wars in human history, the bloodiest civil war, and the largest conflict of the 19th century. Estimates of the war dead range from 10–30 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion I still believe that what the Chinese governent is doing is wrong: Tibet, the Uighurs, the Falun Gong, the censorship and rewriting of history, and so on. But I also have to admit that I see some truth in what you said: > the truth is far more complex. A hundred times more complex than even the example I gave. > Centralized control has a cost, but it also has a benefit. My problem with the CCP is that the stability and prosperity of the Chinese people are too important to be bungled. I don't feel that I'm qualified to tell China what to do, but I do feel that I'm not too dumb to see that some things are obviously wrong.
- throwawy4trueth 7y ago
  Your perception about Tibet, Uighurs, FLG is different from a lot of Chinese. You (like most westners) might think it's the other side are fooled or have inferior thoughts about issue. The reason is most people in the world dont' know th concept of unknown unknown.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago

dunstad 7y ago

You need to understand that just because there are upsides and downsides doesn't imply they're in any way equal, and pretending they are causes plenty of harm.

crimsonalucard 7y ago
No it doesn't but if you knew what u were talking about you would know that the United States is just as bad as china. The difference is the United States isn't open about it.
- atlantacrackers 7y ago
  Absurd.
- fastball 7y ago
  The state allowing freedom of choice and certain members of society abusing that choice is not nearly as bad as a state which executes its own citizens for various baseless reasons.
  - crimsonalucard 7y ago
    A corrupt state controlled by corporate interests that spies on its own citizens and limits freedom of speech under the guise of national security is just as bad. China is not executing people for baseless reasons.

carapace 7y ago

FWIW, I grew up in a city on the Pacific rim (San Francisco) and Chinese people have always been a part of my culture. Our first Chinese New Year Festival and Parade was in held in 1858. (California was still part of Mexico only twelve years earlier.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Chinese_New_Year_Festival_and_Parade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Chinese_New_Year... I don't hate China, but I fear the CCP. I was reading a book about China written by an American journalist who was invited to visit in the 70's, when the Middle Kingdom was still literally mysterious to the West, and it dawned on me that there is no way a barbarian like myself could ever understand China. It's too vast, too old. My culture looks like an adolescent compared to yours. I'm not ashamed to admit it. For example, the persecution and repression of the Falun Gong seems obviously wrong. But then I read about the Taiping Rebellion... > For over a decade, the Taiping occupied and fought across much of the mid and lower Yangtze valley. Ultimately devolving into total war, the conflict between the Taiping and the Qing was the largest in China since the Qing conquest in 1644 and it involved every province of China proper except Gansu. It ranks as one of the bloodiest wars in human history, the bloodiest civil war, and the largest conflict of the 19th century. Estimates of the war dead range from 10–30 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion I still believe that what the Chinese governent is doing is wrong: Tibet, the Uighurs, the Falun Gong, the censorship and rewriting of history, and so on. But I also have to admit that I see some truth in what you said: > the truth is far more complex. A hundred times more complex than even the example I gave. > Centralized control has a cost, but it also has a benefit. My problem with the CCP is that the stability and prosperity of the Chinese people are too important to be bungled. I don't feel that I'm qualified to tell China what to do, but I do feel that I'm not too dumb to see that some things are obviously wrong.

throwawy4trueth 7y ago
Your perception about Tibet, Uighurs, FLG is different from a lot of Chinese. You (like most westners) might think it's the other side are fooled or have inferior thoughts about issue. The reason is most people in the world dont' know th concept of unknown unknown.
crimsonalucard 7y ago