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Hker here. In 2008, even the most radical forum on HK Internet praise the achievement of China , we celebrated the Chinese Olympic and mourned for the great ear

Hker here. In 2008, even the most radical forum on HK Internet praise the achievement of China , we celebrated the Chinese Olympic and mourned for the great earthquake in Szechwan. We all shared the same view with the west that China will eventually transform itself to democracy and we shall have harmony in 2047.....right until China shattered the promised universal suffrage. Also, China had singlehandedly groom the separatist sentiments HK. Initially in 2014, there were only a handful of activists and they weren’t even treated seriously even within the pro-democracy circle. But lately you see Chinese state media started to put the separatist hat on every pro-democracy movement and figure. You can imagine people are extremely frustrated by this narrative and many young people started to wholeheartedly support independence (no matter how impossible it seems).

pishpash 7y ago
You're giving China too much credit here. It has single-handedly gone down the wrong path with HK in the same way that it did so with Taiwan maybe 30 years ago. But in both cases, you don't think the nativist/chauvinist local media and Western propaganda had anything to do with it, in fanning a negative identity ("not Chinese")? Nothing at all?
- RavlaAlvar 7y ago
  No , because there’s only one major newspapers that is pro democracy. All other major media is either centrist controlled by businessman, or flat out pro-CCP. But even back in 2008, the pro-democracy paper namely Apple Daily also was celebrating our Chinese identity, and praising china’s progress.
  - pishpash 7y ago
    Oh please, you want me to believe my own eyes or your sanitized nostalgia? HK'ers have been calling mainlanders "locusts" online for at least ten years. Nowadays it's out-and-out "chinks" that they use (even legislative candidates). Political dissatisfaction is only a symptom of an underlying mental illness around identity that has never been grappled with.
    - dang 7y ago
      I realize that it's frustrating to represent a minority viewpoint, but if you post in the ranty and flamey style, not only do you break the site guidelines, you end up discrediting your own viewpoint. And if your view is correct, then you end up discrediting the truth, which is even worse. We've had to ask you multiple times not to do this. Would you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are?

pishpash 7y ago

You're giving China too much credit here. It has single-handedly gone down the wrong path with HK in the same way that it did so with Taiwan maybe 30 years ago. But in both cases, you don't think the nativist/chauvinist local media and Western propaganda had anything to do with it, in fanning a negative identity ("not Chinese")? Nothing at all?

RavlaAlvar 7y ago
No , because there’s only one major newspapers that is pro democracy. All other major media is either centrist controlled by businessman, or flat out pro-CCP. But even back in 2008, the pro-democracy paper namely Apple Daily also was celebrating our Chinese identity, and praising china’s progress.
- pishpash 7y ago
  Oh please, you want me to believe my own eyes or your sanitized nostalgia? HK'ers have been calling mainlanders "locusts" online for at least ten years. Nowadays it's out-and-out "chinks" that they use (even legislative candidates). Political dissatisfaction is only a symptom of an underlying mental illness around identity that has never been grappled with.
  - dang 7y ago
    I realize that it's frustrating to represent a minority viewpoint, but if you post in the ranty and flamey style, not only do you break the site guidelines, you end up discrediting your own viewpoint. And if your view is correct, then you end up discrediting the truth, which is even worse. We've had to ask you multiple times not to do this. Would you please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are?