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Yes, it would be far different. If everyone had a gun here, things would be much worse. I'm quite glad I don't have to worry overly about stray bullets flying

Yes, it would be far different. If everyone had a gun here, things would be much worse. I'm quite glad I don't have to worry overly about stray bullets flying through my window and literal open warfare in the streets.

ctdonath 7y ago
May your chains rest upon you lightly. It's peaceful here because guns are so common. The gov't tries shows of force on rare occasion, and is reminded that's a bad idea.
- lvturner 7y ago
  The price you pay for this 'peace' is quite high however.
  - Teever 7y ago
    And which country would you rather live in, China or America?
    - lvturner 7y ago
      China
  - ctdonath 7y ago
    Actually not. Don't be a deep-urban criminal, and you'll enjoy great peace.
- MoronInAHurry 7y ago
  List three examples of government shows of force that were successfully foiled by armed civilians. Should be trivial if you believe it happens regularly.
  - ctdonath 7y ago
    I didn't say successfully foiled. Gov't usually "wins" these cases, but at great cost & deterred for long after. Pyrrhic victories. I didn't say regularly. I said "rare". Sometimes decades between them. Athens. Waco. Bundy Ranch. Twin Peaks.
- krapp 7y ago
  >The gov't tries shows of force on rare occasion, and is reminded that's a bad idea. Sorry, when did the US government try a "show of force" on its own soil only to be "reminded" that it was a bad idea? I don't recall any popular uprisings or coups in the US in recent memory, despite gun owners swearing blood and violence constantly in regards to gun control laws, the IRS, the Supreme Court and any Democrat in office, and the Federal government won the only civil war on record. As far as I can tell, the only people who have arguably successfully resisted the armed might of the American government have been people who were not Americans, and, ironically, who did so without Second Amendment rights.
  - kevinmershon 7y ago
    > when did the US government try a "show of force" on its own soil only to be "reminded" that it was a bad idea? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/standing-rock-protest-north-dakota-shutdown-evacuation https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/standing-roc...
    - krapp 7y ago
      Since we're talking specifically about the Second Amendment doing the "reminding", where are the mass casualties taken by the police and government forces by the armed militia? I'll grant you that it's a protest, but most of the alleged violence described in that story seems to have been committed by the police. Peaceful protesters being beaten and mauled by attack dogs by definition don't count towards a valid argument for the effectiveness of the Second Amendment. The protestors also lost - the pipeline was built, regardless.
  - mythrwy 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_Nati... This probably would have gone down differently had the occupants not been armed. Then the main perpetrators were not convicted in court either.
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ctdonath 7y ago

May your chains rest upon you lightly. It's peaceful here because guns are so common. The gov't tries shows of force on rare occasion, and is reminded that's a bad idea.

lvturner 7y ago
The price you pay for this 'peace' is quite high however.
- Teever 7y ago
  And which country would you rather live in, China or America?
  - lvturner 7y ago
    China
- ctdonath 7y ago
  Actually not. Don't be a deep-urban criminal, and you'll enjoy great peace.
MoronInAHurry 7y ago
List three examples of government shows of force that were successfully foiled by armed civilians. Should be trivial if you believe it happens regularly.
- ctdonath 7y ago
  I didn't say successfully foiled. Gov't usually "wins" these cases, but at great cost & deterred for long after. Pyrrhic victories. I didn't say regularly. I said "rare". Sometimes decades between them. Athens. Waco. Bundy Ranch. Twin Peaks.
krapp 7y ago
>The gov't tries shows of force on rare occasion, and is reminded that's a bad idea. Sorry, when did the US government try a "show of force" on its own soil only to be "reminded" that it was a bad idea? I don't recall any popular uprisings or coups in the US in recent memory, despite gun owners swearing blood and violence constantly in regards to gun control laws, the IRS, the Supreme Court and any Democrat in office, and the Federal government won the only civil war on record. As far as I can tell, the only people who have arguably successfully resisted the armed might of the American government have been people who were not Americans, and, ironically, who did so without Second Amendment rights.
- kevinmershon 7y ago
  > when did the US government try a "show of force" on its own soil only to be "reminded" that it was a bad idea? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/standing-rock-protest-north-dakota-shutdown-evacuation https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/standing-roc...
  - krapp 7y ago
    Since we're talking specifically about the Second Amendment doing the "reminding", where are the mass casualties taken by the police and government forces by the armed militia? I'll grant you that it's a protest, but most of the alleged violence described in that story seems to have been committed by the police. Peaceful protesters being beaten and mauled by attack dogs by definition don't count towards a valid argument for the effectiveness of the Second Amendment. The protestors also lost - the pipeline was built, regardless.
- mythrwy 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_Nati... This probably would have gone down differently had the occupants not been armed. Then the main perpetrators were not convicted in court either.
  - 7y ago