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While many people who become preoccupied with "problems" like these are operating in bad-faith and can't be swayed otherwise, I would be very surprised if a lar
by vector_spaces 7y ago
While many people who become preoccupied with "problems" like these are operating in bad-faith and can't be swayed otherwise, I would be very surprised if a large number of them (if not most of them) weren't just lay people who were simply curious, who had poor experiences learning math or technical subjects growing up, and for once read about some mathematical "problem" that was accessible to them, were excited by it, and set about exploring it not realizing it was actually a red herring.
And unfortunately, if you lack a good foundation, you won't be able to realize the "problem" you're working on is actually a red-herring, and the rabbit holes you wander through when researching these "problems" will just teach you further bad habits and crankery.
For the sake of those people, I don't think it's fair or right to immediately assume bad faith and take the attitude of "run for the hills" when met with anyone who's gone down such a path. And I don't think it's right to make a mockery of them either (except of course for the ones that start trying to write books, teach seminars, or submit papers about their "discoveries" without ever getting it right).
Instead maybe we can point them towards resources so they can fix their faulty foundation and find more productive ones? No need to engage them further. Just give them something -- even something canned -- to sate the obvious curiosity that they have and give them a little direction. At the very least we can not mock them and assume bad faith -- there's nothing wrong with being curious.
- rabidrat 7y agoA "crank" is a very specific type of person, who will not heed any constructive criticism and in fact deliberately avoids resources from the establishment. Any dismissal is viewed as a conspiracy by the establishment to keep their brilliant ideas from dismantling the establishment's sacred cows. Like concern trolls, their goal is seemingly to waste the time and energy of anyone willing to listen or engage, except they're not doing it wittingly, so you just wind up feeling like a jerk when you inevitably have to ignore their latest 20-page ramble and get some real work done.
- knzhou 7y agoAs they say, sounds good, doesn't work. You can tell the genuinely curious sort from true cranks at a glance, and this article is about the latter. Every academic has interacted with far too many true cranks. I always try to give rebuttals that are accessible, explaining in plain English what is going wrong and giving resources for follow-up learning. It doesn't work -- you get "that's cute, you still believe in textbooks, when I've proven them all wrong."
- YeGoblynQueenne 7y agoThank you for a comment coming from a position of genuine compassion for people who may not have had many opportunities in their life to train their minds. The description of cranks as old, retired males with a minimal mathematical background given by U. Dudley seems to agree with what you say, btw.