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>People who go to church have values", doesn't mean "People who don't go to church don't have values" They said "people who have values go to church", which is

>People who go to church have values", doesn't mean "People who don't go to church don't have values" They said "people who have values go to church", which isn't the same statement. It's equivalent to "people who don't go to church don't have values". A -> B is equivalent to non-B -> non-A and so on. >To your original point about drugs helping you make friends, I'd argue that you're making friends because 1. It's a shared experience, and 2. It's taboo, which forces extra trust between you and everyone who joins. Not so much as an effect of the drugs themselves. We are in agreement there. The community aspect is paramount. >It's not like you can just post "Going to a rave and doing shrooms" as a meetup event online You absolutely can. Hell, I've been to plenty of those. (Of course they won't explicitly mention the drugs but given the clandestine or ephemeral setting and the kind of music you know what to expect.) >nor can you invite your wife and kids to go camping and do LSD Okay I admit I chuckled. Note that many festivals or similar events have whole families attending, complete with spouse and kids. Presumably the parents take care of the kids and don't give them acid but that doesn't prevent the friendmaking with fellow festival goers. >so your suggestion is not very helpful for the kinds of people here who would be having a hard time making friends in their adulthood. Most ravers are in their adulthood. Raves have been a thing for 30+ years, some of the early adopters are old enough to have grandkids.

TheAdamAndChe 7y ago
Don't misquote me. I did not say "people who have values go to church," I said "People with values and responsibilities tend to make friends in places like churches." It is a statement that extends to any community-creating institution like a civic center, soup kitchen, etc. Edit: I see now that you were merely replying to someone else that misquoted me. Know at least that my original post was not to say that only church-goers have values.

TheAdamAndChe 7y ago

Don't misquote me. I did not say "people who have values go to church," I said "People with values and responsibilities tend to make friends in places like churches." It is a statement that extends to any community-creating institution like a civic center, soup kitchen, etc. Edit: I see now that you were merely replying to someone else that misquoted me. Know at least that my original post was not to say that only church-goers have values.