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>Second: Militarization of the police is much more a result of the recent terrorist attacks and surplus equipment and military training from the Iraq / Afghanis
by kilo_bravo_3 7y ago
>Second: Militarization of the police is much more a result of the recent terrorist attacks and surplus equipment and military training from the Iraq / Afghanistan wars than anything having to do with the cold war.
The thing I don't get about the "militarization" of police is that:
1. Police responses to mass civil disturbances is probably less militarized today than it has ever been in the history of the United States. See: Philly police dropping actual bombs on citizens, all of the 40s, 50s, and 60s, George Washington himself sending several regiments of the newly-formed US Army to pacify tax protestors, and everything in between.
2. Everywhere that keeps records going back several decades has seen police shootings decrease. In New York City in particular both shootings and deaths have decreased at a rate that exceeds the drop in crime and are the lowest they've ever been-- and NYPD is one of the most "militarized" police forces in the US (so I've been told).
In 1972, NYPD fired 2,510 shots during 994 incidents, injuring 145 subjects and killing 66.
In 2017, NYPD fired 52 shots during 242 incidents, injuring 9 subjects and killing 10.
3. Surplus military equipment has always been given to police forces. Some police forces used to have belt-fed machine guns and hand grenades in their armories.
A libertarian publication, Reason, used to maintain a meticulously-curated list of SWAT raids, with handy-dandy links to purchase their publications on the downward spiral of American society and the trampling of the rights of every citizen at the hands of the militarized police, which they terminated around 2012 when their own graphs showed incidents of police brutality falling off a cliff.
Today, the most police forces have to report every time they strike, tase, or shoot, a subject.
Back in "the good old days" when police "weren't militarized" they just sprayed bullets at people, dumped the corpses at the morgue, and went out for a drink.
One hundred years ago, during the May Day Riots and Red Summer of 1919 the police used the actual, literal, military (including WWI tanks) to kill protestors (mainly socialists and African Americans).
When were the police (and the overall response to civil unrest by authorities) LESS militarized than they are today?
- monetus 7y agoI get the sense you two are talking about seperate things. That is, he is referring to the presence of military equipment and training while you are talking about the breadth of the discretion police have to use violence. It makes me wonder at differences in their impact.
- sailfast 7y agoYou’re right - that said thinking about both of these aspects and their contributions is interesting. I appreciate you bringing up the distinction.
- sailfast 7y agoI agree with you in terms of overall violence. It’s improved mightily and generally I’d say corruption levels are not expected to be high. I might disagree in terms of usage of heavy equipment, body armor, and prevalence of swat team raids (as a percentage) over older incidents. Beat cops often look like they’re ready for battle. I understand why but it’s not necessarily neighborhood policing, shaking hands, etc.
- cafard 7y agoTax protestors? The Whiskey Rebellion wasn't picketing with signs.