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Nor did I say anything about other peoples' views or mention anything about "witch hunts bringing down a great man". Can you answer point blank why your paraphr

Nor did I say anything about other peoples' views or mention anything about "witch hunts bringing down a great man". Can you answer point blank why your paraphrase is so far off from what was actually said? If your paraphrase is valid then perhaps we might find that "20 women left the room" is something of a paraphrase too? Edit: fix unclear wording, add question

throwanem 7y ago
The uncharitability of my paraphrase does not make it inaccurate, and even at that I've already conceded that it was a joke. Specifically, it was a joke about wanting to see who among the audience he might want to fuck. No one has disagreed that this was the substance of the comment to which I and others took such exception. All that remains is to argue over whether or not that exception was merited, and "it was just a joke, god, why are you being so emotional, jeez" - another uncharitable but accurate paraphrase - doesn't strike me as much of an argument. Neither does, again, claiming that I must be lying about what people did, or how many, in response to that comment of his. Would you please step up your game? Answering the same tired objections over and over again, as they're reiterated in slightly different ways, grows dull, and it's difficult to distinguish one's interlocutors from one another when they're all saying the same things.
- pmoriarty 7y ago
  "Specifically, it was a joke about wanting to see who among the audience he might want to fuck." Except it's not. You're misinterpreting his joke. It is a joke, but he's saying that: 1 - keeping the lights off is conducive to having sex 2 - although he might enjoy sleeping with some of the people in the room, that's not what they're there for 3 - instead, he would prefer to see the audience 4 - so he's asking for the lights to be turned on
  - throwanem 7y ago
    Haven't you ever heard it said that a joke you have to explain is a joke that does not work? And look at all the effort that's had to go into trying to explain how this one was perfectly innocuous, a little in bad taste perhaps but hey, we're all broad-minded fellows here, and if a few silly women can't go along, well, more's the pity for them, eh? Are you really sure that's a place you care to stand? Because, whatever you may think you're saying, that's how you're being heard - and how your audience hears what you say is not a phenomenon subject to your control, or RMS's.

throwanem 7y ago

The uncharitability of my paraphrase does not make it inaccurate, and even at that I've already conceded that it was a joke. Specifically, it was a joke about wanting to see who among the audience he might want to fuck. No one has disagreed that this was the substance of the comment to which I and others took such exception. All that remains is to argue over whether or not that exception was merited, and "it was just a joke, god, why are you being so emotional, jeez" - another uncharitable but accurate paraphrase - doesn't strike me as much of an argument. Neither does, again, claiming that I must be lying about what people did, or how many, in response to that comment of his. Would you please step up your game? Answering the same tired objections over and over again, as they're reiterated in slightly different ways, grows dull, and it's difficult to distinguish one's interlocutors from one another when they're all saying the same things.

pmoriarty 7y ago
"Specifically, it was a joke about wanting to see who among the audience he might want to fuck." Except it's not. You're misinterpreting his joke. It is a joke, but he's saying that: 1 - keeping the lights off is conducive to having sex 2 - although he might enjoy sleeping with some of the people in the room, that's not what they're there for 3 - instead, he would prefer to see the audience 4 - so he's asking for the lights to be turned on
- throwanem 7y ago
  Haven't you ever heard it said that a joke you have to explain is a joke that does not work? And look at all the effort that's had to go into trying to explain how this one was perfectly innocuous, a little in bad taste perhaps but hey, we're all broad-minded fellows here, and if a few silly women can't go along, well, more's the pity for them, eh? Are you really sure that's a place you care to stand? Because, whatever you may think you're saying, that's how you're being heard - and how your audience hears what you say is not a phenomenon subject to your control, or RMS's.