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The Obama admin did exactly what this administration has done. You just didn't care because of identity politics.

by jki275 7y ago

sascha_sl 7y ago
That is untrue, and you're saying that in a thread with references refuting your claim. Fuck your alternative facts.
- jki275 7y ago
  Even Snopes says it's true.
  - sascha_sl 7y ago
    No, they said one aspect was true. Not the same thing.
    - jki275 7y ago
      It’s true and you know it. You just don’t want to believe it.
DarmokJalad1701 7y ago
Did the Obama admin imprison legal asylum seekers and separate them from their kids, and then lose track of said kids?
- jki275 7y ago
  People who illegally cross the border are not legal asylum seekers. Those who do so with children they are trafficking are even more of an issue, and you know this is happening.
  - letmeinhere 7y ago
    It sounds like your answer is "no, but I actually approve of the new cruelty"
    - jki275 7y ago
      No, the answer is I don’t approve of silly hyperbole that only exists because you don’t like the current head of state. Where were you when the last administration was doing the exact same thing? You didn’t care then, because you liked that administration. If you were intellectually honest you’d have protested then rather than waiting for your handlers to tell you it was time to make noise.
      - letmeinhere 7y ago
        DarmokJalad1701 pointed out specific new behavior that this administration enacted as official policy, and you then justified it. We agree that you don't approve of ~silly hyperbole~ other people having convictions, but you made it very clear that you _do_ approve of family separations, but don't think that anybody should be criticized for it if other bad things ever happened before. As for "[my] handlers telling [me] it was time to make noise," who is really bringing the silly hyperbole? What is even the conspiracy here? Are we all in the back pocket of big-Gitlab or something?
        jki275 7y ago
        I didn't "justify" anything. I said that your hyperbole is hyperbole, and you didn't care when the politicians you liked were in charge, which suggests you really don't care at all and are simply part of the outrage machine that spins up when someone tells them to. If you had convictions, you'd have had them when the last administration was doing this. You didn't then, you don't now. BTW, the "specific examples" you talk about are not accurate. You're quoting talking points. People who cross the border illegally and then pretend to be "asylum seekers" when they get caught are not "legal asylum seekers", they have committed a crime. Nobody is arresting people who legally present to a border crossing and request asylum, because they haven't committed a crime to be arrested for.

The Obama admin did exactly what this administration has done. You just didn't care because of identity politics.

by jki275 7y ago

The Obama admin did exactly what this administration has done. You just didn't care because of identity politics.

sascha_sl 7y ago

That is untrue, and you're saying that in a thread with references refuting your claim. Fuck your alternative facts.

jki275 7y ago
Even Snopes says it's true.
- sascha_sl 7y ago
  No, they said one aspect was true. Not the same thing.
  - jki275 7y ago
    It’s true and you know it. You just don’t want to believe it.

DarmokJalad1701 7y ago

Did the Obama admin imprison legal asylum seekers and separate them from their kids, and then lose track of said kids?

jki275 7y ago
People who illegally cross the border are not legal asylum seekers. Those who do so with children they are trafficking are even more of an issue, and you know this is happening.
- letmeinhere 7y ago
  It sounds like your answer is "no, but I actually approve of the new cruelty"
  - jki275 7y ago
    No, the answer is I don’t approve of silly hyperbole that only exists because you don’t like the current head of state. Where were you when the last administration was doing the exact same thing? You didn’t care then, because you liked that administration. If you were intellectually honest you’d have protested then rather than waiting for your handlers to tell you it was time to make noise.
    - letmeinhere 7y ago
      DarmokJalad1701 pointed out specific new behavior that this administration enacted as official policy, and you then justified it. We agree that you don't approve of ~silly hyperbole~ other people having convictions, but you made it very clear that you _do_ approve of family separations, but don't think that anybody should be criticized for it if other bad things ever happened before. As for "[my] handlers telling [me] it was time to make noise," who is really bringing the silly hyperbole? What is even the conspiracy here? Are we all in the back pocket of big-Gitlab or something?
      - jki275 7y ago
        I didn't "justify" anything. I said that your hyperbole is hyperbole, and you didn't care when the politicians you liked were in charge, which suggests you really don't care at all and are simply part of the outrage machine that spins up when someone tells them to. If you had convictions, you'd have had them when the last administration was doing this. You didn't then, you don't now. BTW, the "specific examples" you talk about are not accurate. You're quoting talking points. People who cross the border illegally and then pretend to be "asylum seekers" when they get caught are not "legal asylum seekers", they have committed a crime. Nobody is arresting people who legally present to a border crossing and request asylum, because they haven't committed a crime to be arrested for.