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Excellent. This entire incident has been re-enforcing of how willing the media is to lie and how little people care when the lies support a narrative they belie
by kauffj 7y ago
Excellent. This entire incident has been re-enforcing of how willing the media is to lie and how little people care when the lies support a narrative they believe in.
Here is what reporter Edward Ongweso Jr. wrote for Vice [1]:
> Early in the thread, Stallman insists that the “most plausible scenario” is that Epstein’s underage victims were “entirely willing” while being trafficked.
Here is what Stallman actually wrote:
> We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates.
There is literally no way to read the previous sentence as Stallman arguing that Epstein's victims were entirely willing.
People like Edward Ongweso should be the ones losing their jobs, not Richard Stallman.
[1]: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ne8b47/two-researchers-resign-in-protest-over-mit-media-labs-ties-to-jeffrey-epstein https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ne8b47/two-researchers-re...
- endianswap 7y ago"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily [sic] pedophilia harms children." https://stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html#05%20June%202006%20%28Dutch%20paedophiles%20form%20political%20party%29 https://stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html#05%20June%20...
- claudiawerner 7y ago"Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it. Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to understand how sex with a child can harm per psychologically. This changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why." https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September_2019_(Sex_between_an_adult_and_a_child_is_wrong) https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#14_September...
- 29083011397778 7y agoCue somebody pointing out how recent this is; then followed by a rebuttal pointing out the phrase recent years, and that while the post may be new, the change of heart may not be
- teddyh 7y agoIn fact, he seems to have changed his mind about that as early as 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=727727586&oldid=727703442 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biograp... (Credit for finding this goes to dependenttypes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21092184 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21092184)
- microtherion 7y ago"Not endorsing pedophilia since 2016" is not exactly the ringing character endorsement you might consider it to be.
- teddyh 7y agoRinging character endorsement? It wasn’t meant to be. It was meant to correct the seemlingly common misconception that RMS changed his mind only recently after the fact, when in reality he seems to have changed his mind many years ago. Also, should people be condemned for opinions they used to hold, even if they changed them relatively recently? If so, what is the point of anybody changing their mind on any topic, if they’re going to get nailed for any opinion they have ever held? What kind of world would that make, where nobody could be expected to change their mind on anything?
- katabatic 7y ago2016 IS very recently. Three years ago does not count as "many years ago". Richard Stallman is 66 years old. To have only realized that pedophilia is bad at age 63, only when other people had to convince him..welp.
- gizmo686 7y agoWhich has nothing to do with the objectivly false representation of a completly different statement he made.
- daptaq 7y agoSee https://se7en-site.neocities.org/articles/stallman.html https://se7en-site.neocities.org/articles/stallman.html for more details. It's really a disgrace.