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Contrast that with Ellen Degeneres responding to people dismayed that she sat next to George W. Bush during a game (warning, video in the tweet): https://twitt

Contrast that with Ellen Degeneres responding to people dismayed that she sat next to George W. Bush during a game (warning, video in the tweet): https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/status/1181395164499070976 https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/status/1181395164499070976 Basically, it's okay to be friends with people we disagree with (and really, we ought to).

fjp 7y ago
George Bush killed a million Iraqis in a war based on fabricated evidence of an Iraqi WMD program
- swsieber 7y ago
  Americans killed a million Iraqis in a war based on fabricated evidence of an Iraqi WMD program. We're all pretty much complicit. If there's any smaller group to be mad at, I'd say it's anybody who didn't oppose that course, but more likely, the U.S. military complex. Ironically, she didn't catch flack for George being president of the Iraqi war, she caught flack for George's stance on LGBT issues when he was president.
  - bracewel 7y ago
    ah yes, I remember personally lying to congress and pushing false narratives in the media. oh wait, no, that wasn't me was it...
  - passwordreset 7y ago
    No, Americans are certainly not "all pretty much complicit". There is no basis for such an extreme statement, even for moderate values of "pretty much". Also, isn't this post a copy/paste of one that you just posted? Simply repeating it doesn't make it true, guy.
favorited 7y ago
We all have friends we disagree with, but Ellen deserves catching shit for palling around with a guy who started a war that killed nearly 5 thousand American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians for absolutely nothing.
- swsieber 7y ago
  Americans started a war that killed nearly 5 thousand American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians for absolutely nothing. We're all pretty much complicit. If there's any smaller group to be mad at, I'd say it's anybody who didn't oppose that course, but more likely, the U.S. military complex. Ironically, she didn't catch flack for George being president of the Iraqi war, she caught flack for George's stance on LGBT issues when he was president.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Presumably because that's something she clearly has an opinion about.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > Americans started a war that killed nearly 5 thousand American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians for absolutely nothing. We're all pretty much complicit. Not all of us lied to get Congressional authority to use force with explicit conditions, and not all of us declared those conditions to be met and applied the force so authorized in knowing bad faith. In fact, exactly one of us did that, and his name is George W. Bush. Whatever guilt anyone else has in that matter is far less.
  - abraae 7y ago
    Copy pasting the same comment over and over does not help make your point.
- leereeves 7y ago
  It didn't end well, but if any dictator or warlord is ever worth a war to overthrow, Saddam Hussein was. Is that something the US should be doing? I think not, and it frequently ends badly, but Presidents keep trying. Like Obama in Libya or the elder Bush and Clinton in Somalia and Bosnia.
  - favorited 7y ago
    I agree that Saddam deserved to die. He was a monster who used chemical weapons against his own people. But the premise of the war wasn't "Saddam is bad so we should stop him," it was "Iraq is developing WMDs and is an imminent threat." That, of course, was a lie. Bosnia was different. Clinton was 100% correct (and too slow) to act, because it was genocide. He already Rwandan blood on his hands by his inaction.
skrebbel 7y ago
Wow, that is such a refreshing monologue. Yay Ellen! Right now this is what the world needs more of, not public lynchings and outrage-driven firings. Really happy to see someone with such a high profile take this stance. Love thy neighbour folks! (EDIT: this doesn't mean i don't have a problem with GW Bush's needless war, as pointed out by a few sibling comments. It's more like, I think that if people mingled a bit more with people from other camps, then there would be more understanding and, ultimately, less hardship in the world. So much of the shit in the world comes from lack of communication!)
iikoolpp 7y ago
Love too be friends with a war criminal and mass murderer.
- smacktoward 7y ago
  Hey, but he's a painter too! And we all know that no world leader who paints can be truly evil.
emptyfile 7y ago
George Bush is a war criminal who is incalculably more evil than the entire cadre of Chinese communist leaders who you all hate so much recently. Trump has to kill a couple hundred thousand more women and children before he's even in the same league.
davidy123 7y ago
There is a very great difference between a top-tier celebrity "palling around" with a former president, and someone in an asymmetrical, basically broadcast and image-setting position of power spreading messages that the majority of participants don't support. It is at the very least a huge and unnecessary distraction from the goals of the organization.

fjp 7y ago

George Bush killed a million Iraqis in a war based on fabricated evidence of an Iraqi WMD program

swsieber 7y ago
Americans killed a million Iraqis in a war based on fabricated evidence of an Iraqi WMD program. We're all pretty much complicit. If there's any smaller group to be mad at, I'd say it's anybody who didn't oppose that course, but more likely, the U.S. military complex. Ironically, she didn't catch flack for George being president of the Iraqi war, she caught flack for George's stance on LGBT issues when he was president.
- bracewel 7y ago
  ah yes, I remember personally lying to congress and pushing false narratives in the media. oh wait, no, that wasn't me was it...
- passwordreset 7y ago
  No, Americans are certainly not "all pretty much complicit". There is no basis for such an extreme statement, even for moderate values of "pretty much". Also, isn't this post a copy/paste of one that you just posted? Simply repeating it doesn't make it true, guy.

favorited 7y ago

We all have friends we disagree with, but Ellen deserves catching shit for palling around with a guy who started a war that killed nearly 5 thousand American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians for absolutely nothing.

swsieber 7y ago
Americans started a war that killed nearly 5 thousand American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians for absolutely nothing. We're all pretty much complicit. If there's any smaller group to be mad at, I'd say it's anybody who didn't oppose that course, but more likely, the U.S. military complex. Ironically, she didn't catch flack for George being president of the Iraqi war, she caught flack for George's stance on LGBT issues when he was president.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Presumably because that's something she clearly has an opinion about.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Americans started a war that killed nearly 5 thousand American soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians for absolutely nothing. We're all pretty much complicit. Not all of us lied to get Congressional authority to use force with explicit conditions, and not all of us declared those conditions to be met and applied the force so authorized in knowing bad faith. In fact, exactly one of us did that, and his name is George W. Bush. Whatever guilt anyone else has in that matter is far less.
- abraae 7y ago
  Copy pasting the same comment over and over does not help make your point.
leereeves 7y ago
It didn't end well, but if any dictator or warlord is ever worth a war to overthrow, Saddam Hussein was. Is that something the US should be doing? I think not, and it frequently ends badly, but Presidents keep trying. Like Obama in Libya or the elder Bush and Clinton in Somalia and Bosnia.
- favorited 7y ago
  I agree that Saddam deserved to die. He was a monster who used chemical weapons against his own people. But the premise of the war wasn't "Saddam is bad so we should stop him," it was "Iraq is developing WMDs and is an imminent threat." That, of course, was a lie. Bosnia was different. Clinton was 100% correct (and too slow) to act, because it was genocide. He already Rwandan blood on his hands by his inaction.

skrebbel 7y ago

Wow, that is such a refreshing monologue. Yay Ellen! Right now this is what the world needs more of, not public lynchings and outrage-driven firings. Really happy to see someone with such a high profile take this stance. Love thy neighbour folks! (EDIT: this doesn't mean i don't have a problem with GW Bush's needless war, as pointed out by a few sibling comments. It's more like, I think that if people mingled a bit more with people from other camps, then there would be more understanding and, ultimately, less hardship in the world. So much of the shit in the world comes from lack of communication!)

iikoolpp 7y ago

Love too be friends with a war criminal and mass murderer.

smacktoward 7y ago
Hey, but he's a painter too! And we all know that no world leader who paints can be truly evil.

emptyfile 7y ago

George Bush is a war criminal who is incalculably more evil than the entire cadre of Chinese communist leaders who you all hate so much recently. Trump has to kill a couple hundred thousand more women and children before he's even in the same league.

davidy123 7y ago

There is a very great difference between a top-tier celebrity "palling around" with a former president, and someone in an asymmetrical, basically broadcast and image-setting position of power spreading messages that the majority of participants don't support. It is at the very least a huge and unnecessary distraction from the goals of the organization.