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Title is kinda misleading. A more accurate but longer one is like 'China state media journalist accused Apple approving app that aid violent protesters from eva

Title is kinda misleading. A more accurate but longer one is like 'China state media journalist accused Apple approving app that aid violent protesters from evading police" Which similarly, it also happens on the other part of the world? E.g) US? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/nyregion/waze-nypd-location.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/nyregion/waze-nypd-locati... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185/officers-ask-map-app-to-remove-police-tracking https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185...

reaperducer 7y ago
It's not surprising that two different organizations would have two different headlines. That's common sense, not a conspiracy.
- La1n 7y ago
  NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/asia/china-apple-nba-hong-kong.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/asia/china-apple-nb... Even the same organisation. Still not a conspiracy but as a non US citizen it's clear that a lot of the US media doesn't treat China the same as the US. I am sure it's like that in every country, but that makes it difficult to find objective news, or at least news that doesn't have an emotional charge to it.
  - wavefunction 7y ago
    Websites will a/b test different headlines to drive visitors to the articles and revise them during the course of the day to play off subsequent developments. The reason they inject emotion into the headlines is because that's what people want.
    - La1n 7y ago
      Oh I fully agree and I think that's terrible. It's awful in my opinion that a news organisation cares more about their income and what people want to hear, than what is objective news.
hitekker 7y ago
> violent protesters > whataboutism Now is not the time to shill for China.
- ummonk 7y ago
  That the protesters are engaging in violence is an established fact.
  - srbloom 7y ago
    Self-defense is violent, yes
secraetomani 7y ago
There is a big difference. US is not gonna ban Google or Waze. China might actually ban Apple tomorrow. There are no courts to appeal. There is no retort. Just the decision of one man.
- kwizzt 7y ago
  One man? If you are just trying to sound dramatic, sure. However, I'd urge that you go and actually read more about how CCP works and the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media. The reaction to NBA and Hong Kong is not merely the government's manipulation, tho I'm sure there are some being done. When people see the news and make a judgement, it's often times the judgement the media want you to make. I'll give you another video about Hong Kong protesters for a different perspective: https://youtu.be/ZPYuGYLesx0 https://youtu.be/ZPYuGYLesx0 This video by no means represents all of the protesters, but I hope people here can see the same event from different angles. Edit: fix typo
  - secraetomani 7y ago
    Yes, one man will have the final word regarding a ban on Apple. I didn't say that Chinese people wouldn't approve of the ban. But it will be for one man to decide one way or the other.
    - yourbandsucks 7y ago
      You might like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
  - calcifer 7y ago
    > the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media Why do you think those people react that way? Nobody is born with an opinion. What politics they were exposed to growing up? What did the schools teach them? What behaviour did the government punish, what did it allow? Which information sources where they given access to? Are the "actual Chinese people" who disagree with the party allowed to share their thoughts on Weibo without fear?
mattparcher 7y ago
IANAL, but “evade law enforcement” seems inaccurate. > HKMAP helps residents comply with the wishes of law enforcement (who communicate their demands by colored flags quickly raised in the dark). > …[the app] doesn't contravene any Hong Kong law that I am aware of. This app helps answer questions like "will I get shot with a bean bag round if I come out of this MTR station, because the police raised a colored flag I can't see". —Maciej Ceglowski, the American who runs the Pinboard bookmarking service, who has been in Hong Kong for a while now, to follow the protests. Thread about how the app works, and how it keeps non-protesters safe: https://twitter.com/pinboard/status/1179233936582565888 https://twitter.com/pinboard/status/1179233936582565888 About the use of tear gas and bean bag rounds: https://twitter.com/pinboard/status/1181790019943452675 https://twitter.com/pinboard/status/1181790019943452675
- godelski 7y ago
  > This app helps answer questions like "will I get shot with a bean bag round if I come out of this MTR station..." Helpful and sassy comment.
sushid 7y ago
Uh, the Chinese state media journalist is speaking on behalf of the government. Do you think the journalists there build their career by being a maverick known for investigative journalism?

reaperducer 7y ago

It's not surprising that two different organizations would have two different headlines. That's common sense, not a conspiracy.

La1n 7y ago
NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/asia/china-apple-nba-hong-kong.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/world/asia/china-apple-nb... Even the same organisation. Still not a conspiracy but as a non US citizen it's clear that a lot of the US media doesn't treat China the same as the US. I am sure it's like that in every country, but that makes it difficult to find objective news, or at least news that doesn't have an emotional charge to it.
- wavefunction 7y ago
  Websites will a/b test different headlines to drive visitors to the articles and revise them during the course of the day to play off subsequent developments. The reason they inject emotion into the headlines is because that's what people want.
  - La1n 7y ago
    Oh I fully agree and I think that's terrible. It's awful in my opinion that a news organisation cares more about their income and what people want to hear, than what is objective news.

hitekker 7y ago

> violent protesters > whataboutism Now is not the time to shill for China.

ummonk 7y ago
That the protesters are engaging in violence is an established fact.
- srbloom 7y ago
  Self-defense is violent, yes

secraetomani 7y ago

There is a big difference. US is not gonna ban Google or Waze. China might actually ban Apple tomorrow. There are no courts to appeal. There is no retort. Just the decision of one man.

kwizzt 7y ago
One man? If you are just trying to sound dramatic, sure. However, I'd urge that you go and actually read more about how CCP works and the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media. The reaction to NBA and Hong Kong is not merely the government's manipulation, tho I'm sure there are some being done. When people see the news and make a judgement, it's often times the judgement the media want you to make. I'll give you another video about Hong Kong protesters for a different perspective: https://youtu.be/ZPYuGYLesx0 https://youtu.be/ZPYuGYLesx0 This video by no means represents all of the protesters, but I hope people here can see the same event from different angles. Edit: fix typo
- secraetomani 7y ago
  Yes, one man will have the final word regarding a ban on Apple. I didn't say that Chinese people wouldn't approve of the ban. But it will be for one man to decide one way or the other.
  - yourbandsucks 7y ago
    You might like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
- calcifer 7y ago
  > the actual reaction of Chinese people on Weibo and other Chinese social media Why do you think those people react that way? Nobody is born with an opinion. What politics they were exposed to growing up? What did the schools teach them? What behaviour did the government punish, what did it allow? Which information sources where they given access to? Are the "actual Chinese people" who disagree with the party allowed to share their thoughts on Weibo without fear?

mattparcher 7y ago

IANAL, but “evade law enforcement” seems inaccurate. > HKMAP helps residents comply with the wishes of law enforcement (who communicate their demands by colored flags quickly raised in the dark). > …[the app] doesn't contravene any Hong Kong law that I am aware of. This app helps answer questions like "will I get shot with a bean bag round if I come out of this MTR station, because the police raised a colored flag I can't see". —Maciej Ceglowski, the American who runs the Pinboard bookmarking service, who has been in Hong Kong for a while now, to follow the protests. Thread about how the app works, and how it keeps non-protesters safe: https://twitter.com/pinboard/status/1179233936582565888 https://twitter.com/pinboard/status/1179233936582565888 About the use of tear gas and bean bag rounds: https://twitter.com/pinboard/status/1181790019943452675 https://twitter.com/pinboard/status/1181790019943452675

godelski 7y ago
> This app helps answer questions like "will I get shot with a bean bag round if I come out of this MTR station..." Helpful and sassy comment.

sushid 7y ago

Uh, the Chinese state media journalist is speaking on behalf of the government. Do you think the journalists there build their career by being a maverick known for investigative journalism?