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> Your argument is specious; flying is categorically vastly different than ... taking the train That's too strong a claim to accept immediately. 'flying is dif

> Your argument is specious; flying is categorically vastly different than ... taking the train That's too strong a claim to accept immediately. 'flying is different' is acceptable if you have evidence or a strong argument. I'd also accept it as a 'fact' if everyone agreed, but they don't - I certainly don't. Psychologically (rather than physically) taking plane is just a way of getting from here to there, no different than a train in that respect.

scottlocklin 7y ago
OK, I look forward to your surveillance photographs of enemy territory taken on a train. Bombing runs and overnight trips over the ocean in a train will also be amusing. Shooting down enemy planes in a train will also be a neat trick. So will taking the train from remote regions to the hospital. Crop dusting using a train: ditto. Just because your jetblue trips to Baltimore can be replaced with Amtrak doesn't mean the aircraft hasn't radically changed the human condition in ways something like the nerd dildo can't compare to.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  Very embarrassing, I was thinking only of human transport. OK, but still, some facts. > look forward to your surveillance photographs of enemy territory taken on a train "In 1794, during the Battle of Fleurus, the French Aerostatic Corps balloon L'Entreprenant remained afloat for nine hours. French officers used the balloon to observe the movements of the Austrian Army, dropping notes to the ground for collection by the French Army,[3] and also signalled messages using semaphore.[4]" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_aircraft#Pre_World_War_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_aircraft#Pre_Worl... A little more dubiously (I'd need to read up a bit to be sure it's not total tripe): "In or around the second or third century, a prototype hot air balloon, the Kongming lantern, was invented in China, serving as a military communication station.[2][3]" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aerial_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aerial_warfare > So will taking the train from remote regions to the hospital same could be said of roads. Once a road is present new areas are immediately much more accessible. Roads are ancient. > the nerd dildo can't compare Dildos have been around for a long time. Not sure this ad hom adds to your point though.
  - scottlocklin 7y ago
    You know; here's a real simple way to adjudge which technological innovations are important. I should really have thought of this before, but as they say, "stone sharpens steel." Certainly a lot of stones around here. A categorically "important technological innovation" is the kind that, the possession of which would provide an overwhelming and obvious advantage for the society which possesses it, versus the society which doesn't, in the event of a war. Airplanes. Jets. Spacecraft. Atom Bombs. Radar. Antibiotics. Since 1969, no society on the planet has developed such a technology, or if they have, they ain't talking about it. The end.
    - tempguy9999 7y ago
      You seem to have ignored the points I made so, do you acknowledge that various forms of airborne advantage existed long before you recognised them? Please address the points in my posts. > Certainly a lot of stones around here Stop being a dick. Contest other people's viewpoints, don't 'dildo' this and 'stone' that. Deal with facts. Play the ball not the man. > provide an overwhelming advantage for the society which possesses it in the event of a war. Airplanes. Jets. Spacecraft. Atom Bombs. Antibiotics ISIS did not have much by way of aircraft, jets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_ISIL#Aircraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_ISIL#Air...), no spacecraft or thank god, nukes. Neither did one side in the vietnam war. How did those turn out? > Since 1969, no society on the planet has developed such a technology. You assert this, whether that is true is questionable. TBH given your current record on this thread your reception of anything that isn't kowtowing acceptance of your goodness, I can't take you seriously.
      - scottlocklin 7y ago
        You haven't made any points I can identify, so, yes indeed I did ignore them, going back to my point. I do thank you for taking the time to share your argument; it annoyed me enough to come up with the above summarization of what technologically important breakthroughs are. It also demonstrates ably why a jet airplane is an important improvement over, say, a train; something a child would find obvious, but which some people seem to find confusing.

scottlocklin 7y ago

OK, I look forward to your surveillance photographs of enemy territory taken on a train. Bombing runs and overnight trips over the ocean in a train will also be amusing. Shooting down enemy planes in a train will also be a neat trick. So will taking the train from remote regions to the hospital. Crop dusting using a train: ditto. Just because your jetblue trips to Baltimore can be replaced with Amtrak doesn't mean the aircraft hasn't radically changed the human condition in ways something like the nerd dildo can't compare to.

tempguy9999 7y ago
Very embarrassing, I was thinking only of human transport. OK, but still, some facts. > look forward to your surveillance photographs of enemy territory taken on a train "In 1794, during the Battle of Fleurus, the French Aerostatic Corps balloon L'Entreprenant remained afloat for nine hours. French officers used the balloon to observe the movements of the Austrian Army, dropping notes to the ground for collection by the French Army,[3] and also signalled messages using semaphore.[4]" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_aircraft#Pre_World_War_I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveillance_aircraft#Pre_Worl... A little more dubiously (I'd need to read up a bit to be sure it's not total tripe): "In or around the second or third century, a prototype hot air balloon, the Kongming lantern, was invented in China, serving as a military communication station.[2][3]" from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aerial_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_aerial_warfare > So will taking the train from remote regions to the hospital same could be said of roads. Once a road is present new areas are immediately much more accessible. Roads are ancient. > the nerd dildo can't compare Dildos have been around for a long time. Not sure this ad hom adds to your point though.
- scottlocklin 7y ago
  You know; here's a real simple way to adjudge which technological innovations are important. I should really have thought of this before, but as they say, "stone sharpens steel." Certainly a lot of stones around here. A categorically "important technological innovation" is the kind that, the possession of which would provide an overwhelming and obvious advantage for the society which possesses it, versus the society which doesn't, in the event of a war. Airplanes. Jets. Spacecraft. Atom Bombs. Radar. Antibiotics. Since 1969, no society on the planet has developed such a technology, or if they have, they ain't talking about it. The end.
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    You seem to have ignored the points I made so, do you acknowledge that various forms of airborne advantage existed long before you recognised them? Please address the points in my posts. > Certainly a lot of stones around here Stop being a dick. Contest other people's viewpoints, don't 'dildo' this and 'stone' that. Deal with facts. Play the ball not the man. > provide an overwhelming advantage for the society which possesses it in the event of a war. Airplanes. Jets. Spacecraft. Atom Bombs. Antibiotics ISIS did not have much by way of aircraft, jets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_ISIL#Aircraft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_ISIL#Air...), no spacecraft or thank god, nukes. Neither did one side in the vietnam war. How did those turn out? > Since 1969, no society on the planet has developed such a technology. You assert this, whether that is true is questionable. TBH given your current record on this thread your reception of anything that isn't kowtowing acceptance of your goodness, I can't take you seriously.
    - scottlocklin 7y ago
      You haven't made any points I can identify, so, yes indeed I did ignore them, going back to my point. I do thank you for taking the time to share your argument; it annoyed me enough to come up with the above summarization of what technologically important breakthroughs are. It also demonstrates ably why a jet airplane is an important improvement over, say, a train; something a child would find obvious, but which some people seem to find confusing.