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It's almost as though we need a president interested in some kind of trade...conflict with China. If only we had one of those.

by darawk 7y ago

dang 7y ago
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here or take HN threads further into political flamewar. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21204717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21204717.
- darawk 7y ago
  It's an interesting commentary on the state of discourse that the mere suggestion that the sitting president may have done something good is considered political flamewar bait.
  - aslaan 7y ago
    Please don't turn this political discussion into a political discussion. Edit: Please remember that only negative comments regarding President Trump are allowed in this political discussion about free speech.
    - dang 7y ago
      Many topics discussed on HN inevitably have some political overlap. That doesn't make it ok to post flamebait, cheap one-liners, and so on. This standard is well established here, and if you read the HN guidelines you'll find much there that expresses it. For example: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." In other words, when the topic becomes political, that's when the guidelines matter even more, and commenters need to abide by them. Otherwise we end up with internet flamewar the same as most other places on the internet, and that's not interesting. All scorched earth is the same. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html You might also find these links helpful for getting the spirit of this site: https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html
      - aslaan 7y ago
        Satire is sometimes the most effective means of pointing out an unfair bias (See: South Park). It seems clear to me that bringing to light a clear political bias is not only applicable to the topic but offering a thought provoking viewpoint on how free speech is not only being threatened by an external entity (China in this case), but domestically by our peers. The question asked was about US leadership doing something about this problem. The comment was immediately discounted using dismissive language (by you) implying that there is no evidence, while providing none yourself. Now you've chosen to tie it off with a condescending link to rules you've chosen to selectively enforce under the guise of being "constructive". The current president has been doing things to resist the power the CCP has over our economy: https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-us-china-trade-war-products-to-face-30-tariff-2019-10-1028572345?utm_source=markets&utm_medium=ingest https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-us-chi...
        dang 7y ago
        What I posted was bog-standard HN moderation, a routine thing where we try to limit the tendency of threads to go into outright flamewar and keep the discussion more substantive. That's the idea of this site and it's what the bulk of the community wants. Would you mind familiarizing yourself a bit more with how HN works? The links I posted upthread are a good place to start.
  - dang 7y ago
    It's an uninteresting commentary on the state of the Hacker News guidelines. Please read and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - darawk 7y ago
      I'm legitimately unsure which of those you think my comment contravened. Unless, as I said, you are implying that the suggestion Trump did something good is intrinsically political flame bait.
      - dang 7y ago
        It was snarky and flamebait and unsubstantive, and arguably off topic. That's a bunch of guidelines. The bar for a good comment here is much higher than a snarky drive-by partisan one-liner, and all users need to respect that, regardless of their politics. > Unless, as I said, you are implying that It would be the same if your comment had put Trump in a bad light or any other divisive figure in a good light or a bad light. I know it's hard, when you get a moderation reply, not to interpret it as the mods secretly being on the other side of the argument from you, but however natural it is, that reaction is incorrect.
BitwiseFool 7y ago
Like a Trade Scuffle?
himlion 7y ago
I hate Trump for a lot of reasons, but I support his way of dealing with China.
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  From above: A broken clock is right twice a day
- buzzdenver 7y ago
  He's not even pretending to care for the oppressed people in China. They'll get thrown under the bus just like the Kurds are right now with Turkey.
- bduerst 7y ago
  The president asked for the assistance of Chinese government to help him get dirt on his political opponents in the U.S. https://www.apnews.com/c4fc388b22f549e0a67925cab8cd7e93 https://www.apnews.com/c4fc388b22f549e0a67925cab8cd7e93
- wavefunction 7y ago
  I don't support his methods which seem ineffective and actively net deleterious.
seattle_spring 7y ago
If only having a trade conflict with China were literally the only problem in the world we cared about.
onlyrealcuzzo 7y ago
If only we had a president that was interested in uniting the entire Western World to actually make something happen... Instead, we're fighting it by ourselves, and fighting all of our allies at the same time (for no reason). Our Western allies are too busy fighting a trade war with us to try to force China to start meaningfully liberalizing its economy. A broken clock is right twice a day.
throwawayvv 7y ago
I've been thinking since the China tariffs began (and talking about with close friends in back channels) that the tariffs could essentially be sold as sanctions-lite. It's disappointing that Trump is such a divisive character, because it would be great if US citizens realized how malevolent China's influence has been on our economy, society, culture, and health.

It's almost as though we need a president interested in some kind of trade...conflict with China. If only we had one of those.

by darawk 7y ago

It's almost as though we need a president interested in some kind of trade...conflict with China. If only we had one of those.

dang 7y ago

Please don't post unsubstantive comments here or take HN threads further into political flamewar. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21204717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21204717.

darawk 7y ago
It's an interesting commentary on the state of discourse that the mere suggestion that the sitting president may have done something good is considered political flamewar bait.
- aslaan 7y ago
  Please don't turn this political discussion into a political discussion. Edit: Please remember that only negative comments regarding President Trump are allowed in this political discussion about free speech.
  - dang 7y ago
    Many topics discussed on HN inevitably have some political overlap. That doesn't make it ok to post flamebait, cheap one-liners, and so on. This standard is well established here, and if you read the HN guidelines you'll find much there that expresses it. For example: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." In other words, when the topic becomes political, that's when the guidelines matter even more, and commenters need to abide by them. Otherwise we end up with internet flamewar the same as most other places on the internet, and that's not interesting. All scorched earth is the same. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html You might also find these links helpful for getting the spirit of this site: https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html http://www.paulgraham.com/trolls.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html
    - aslaan 7y ago
      Satire is sometimes the most effective means of pointing out an unfair bias (See: South Park). It seems clear to me that bringing to light a clear political bias is not only applicable to the topic but offering a thought provoking viewpoint on how free speech is not only being threatened by an external entity (China in this case), but domestically by our peers. The question asked was about US leadership doing something about this problem. The comment was immediately discounted using dismissive language (by you) implying that there is no evidence, while providing none yourself. Now you've chosen to tie it off with a condescending link to rules you've chosen to selectively enforce under the guise of being "constructive". The current president has been doing things to resist the power the CCP has over our economy: https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-us-china-trade-war-products-to-face-30-tariff-2019-10-1028572345?utm_source=markets&utm_medium=ingest https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-us-chi...
      - dang 7y ago
        What I posted was bog-standard HN moderation, a routine thing where we try to limit the tendency of threads to go into outright flamewar and keep the discussion more substantive. That's the idea of this site and it's what the bulk of the community wants. Would you mind familiarizing yourself a bit more with how HN works? The links I posted upthread are a good place to start.
- dang 7y ago
  It's an uninteresting commentary on the state of the Hacker News guidelines. Please read and follow them when posting here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - darawk 7y ago
    I'm legitimately unsure which of those you think my comment contravened. Unless, as I said, you are implying that the suggestion Trump did something good is intrinsically political flame bait.
    - dang 7y ago
      It was snarky and flamebait and unsubstantive, and arguably off topic. That's a bunch of guidelines. The bar for a good comment here is much higher than a snarky drive-by partisan one-liner, and all users need to respect that, regardless of their politics. > Unless, as I said, you are implying that It would be the same if your comment had put Trump in a bad light or any other divisive figure in a good light or a bad light. I know it's hard, when you get a moderation reply, not to interpret it as the mods secretly being on the other side of the argument from you, but however natural it is, that reaction is incorrect.

BitwiseFool 7y ago

Like a Trade Scuffle?

himlion 7y ago

I hate Trump for a lot of reasons, but I support his way of dealing with China.

NicoJuicy 7y ago
From above: A broken clock is right twice a day
buzzdenver 7y ago
He's not even pretending to care for the oppressed people in China. They'll get thrown under the bus just like the Kurds are right now with Turkey.
bduerst 7y ago
The president asked for the assistance of Chinese government to help him get dirt on his political opponents in the U.S. https://www.apnews.com/c4fc388b22f549e0a67925cab8cd7e93 https://www.apnews.com/c4fc388b22f549e0a67925cab8cd7e93
wavefunction 7y ago
I don't support his methods which seem ineffective and actively net deleterious.

seattle_spring 7y ago

If only having a trade conflict with China were literally the only problem in the world we cared about.

onlyrealcuzzo 7y ago

If only we had a president that was interested in uniting the entire Western World to actually make something happen... Instead, we're fighting it by ourselves, and fighting all of our allies at the same time (for no reason). Our Western allies are too busy fighting a trade war with us to try to force China to start meaningfully liberalizing its economy. A broken clock is right twice a day.

throwawayvv 7y ago

I've been thinking since the China tariffs began (and talking about with close friends in back channels) that the tariffs could essentially be sold as sanctions-lite. It's disappointing that Trump is such a divisive character, because it would be great if US citizens realized how malevolent China's influence has been on our economy, society, culture, and health.