5 ms·

Seems like the attempt to fix this (donating $500k) isn't going to work. So they've lost that money from the donation, I wonder how more they'll lose from peop

Seems like the attempt to fix this (donating $500k) isn't going to work. So they've lost that money from the donation, I wonder how more they'll lose from people dropping them over this and from employees quitting. Seems like that $200k isn't worth it, I wonder why they don't just drop ICE or say they won't allow them to renew in the future.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
The chances that actions by those who would boycott Microsoft or Github over ICE would inflict financial pain or negative PR worthy of changing business practices is so close to zero, we can round down for the sake of argument to zero. They are a trillion dollar company.
- Miner49er 7y ago
  Then why donate $500k? Why'd Chef choose to drop ICE? Why all this damage control if they aren't scared of losing money?
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Path of least resistance. The Outrage Machine has already moved on from Chef. This will blow over in a week or two as well. Anyone stop using or working at Uber, Slack, or WeWork [1] because of Saudi (and the human rights atrocities that go along with it [2]) money flowing into it via Softbank Vision? Not enough to matter if so. Everyone works at a company where one of their customers or investors is an evil monster, and if that customer is worth enough revenue or that investor worth enough investment, they're going to get a pass. No amount of Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit shaming is going to change that. If you don't want kids locked up in cages in ICE facilities (and I think it's pretty clear none of us want people of any sort treated inhumanely), show up and protest at facilities. Vote for decent politicians. Run for office. Donate to candidates who align with your beliefs. But don't pat yourself on the back with the assumption virtue theater like preventing a few hundred thousand in government spend matters. It's a whole lot of effort on everyone's part for not a lot of progress. In the same time everyone has been discussing this in thread, that's a lot of calls to congresspeople that could've been made. TLDR I strongly encourage citizens to get involved in actions that matter. These actions do nothing. [1] https://visionfund.com/portfolio https://visionfund.com/portfolio [2] https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/saudi-arabia https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/saudi...
    - gbear605 7y ago
      I personally don't use either Uber or Lyft because of the Saudi money going into them. Same with: Tesla, ARM, NVIDIA, WeWork, Mapbox, General Motors, Fanatics, DoorDash, and others I'd drop Slack too if I could, but tech companies tend to mandate it. I also stay away from companies with Chinese Beijing ownership, since Chinese Beijing isn't really any better on human rights than Saudi Arabia is. Just a few of them include: Tencent (Riot Games, Epic Games), Blizzard, Reddit, JaGeX (Runescape), AMC, GE Appliances, Lenovo, Hoover, TikTok, and many many others I still use my Apple devices, but I'm not buying any new ones (or any other devices manufactured in Chinese Beijing) until their production is out of Chinese Beijing and into more responsible countries like the Republic of China, India, EU nations, or America. I have nothing against the Chinese people or the Saudi people, but their fascist governments need to be overthrown.
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - moocowtruck 7y ago
        so whats your next move? cups and string? paper and pencil?
        gbear605 7y ago
        That's an obviously false equivalence. There are plenty of ways to work effectively without relying on fascism.
    - ignorereality 7y ago
      So your argument is that children should be put in jail cells with their parents, or that we should have open borders. Stellar.

toomuchtodo 7y ago

The chances that actions by those who would boycott Microsoft or Github over ICE would inflict financial pain or negative PR worthy of changing business practices is so close to zero, we can round down for the sake of argument to zero. They are a trillion dollar company.

Miner49er 7y ago
Then why donate $500k? Why'd Chef choose to drop ICE? Why all this damage control if they aren't scared of losing money?
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Path of least resistance. The Outrage Machine has already moved on from Chef. This will blow over in a week or two as well. Anyone stop using or working at Uber, Slack, or WeWork [1] because of Saudi (and the human rights atrocities that go along with it [2]) money flowing into it via Softbank Vision? Not enough to matter if so. Everyone works at a company where one of their customers or investors is an evil monster, and if that customer is worth enough revenue or that investor worth enough investment, they're going to get a pass. No amount of Twitter, Facebook, or Reddit shaming is going to change that. If you don't want kids locked up in cages in ICE facilities (and I think it's pretty clear none of us want people of any sort treated inhumanely), show up and protest at facilities. Vote for decent politicians. Run for office. Donate to candidates who align with your beliefs. But don't pat yourself on the back with the assumption virtue theater like preventing a few hundred thousand in government spend matters. It's a whole lot of effort on everyone's part for not a lot of progress. In the same time everyone has been discussing this in thread, that's a lot of calls to congresspeople that could've been made. TLDR I strongly encourage citizens to get involved in actions that matter. These actions do nothing. [1] https://visionfund.com/portfolio https://visionfund.com/portfolio [2] https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/saudi-arabia https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/saudi...
  - gbear605 7y ago
    I personally don't use either Uber or Lyft because of the Saudi money going into them. Same with: Tesla, ARM, NVIDIA, WeWork, Mapbox, General Motors, Fanatics, DoorDash, and others I'd drop Slack too if I could, but tech companies tend to mandate it. I also stay away from companies with Chinese Beijing ownership, since Chinese Beijing isn't really any better on human rights than Saudi Arabia is. Just a few of them include: Tencent (Riot Games, Epic Games), Blizzard, Reddit, JaGeX (Runescape), AMC, GE Appliances, Lenovo, Hoover, TikTok, and many many others I still use my Apple devices, but I'm not buying any new ones (or any other devices manufactured in Chinese Beijing) until their production is out of Chinese Beijing and into more responsible countries like the Republic of China, India, EU nations, or America. I have nothing against the Chinese people or the Saudi people, but their fascist governments need to be overthrown.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - moocowtruck 7y ago
      so whats your next move? cups and string? paper and pencil?
      - gbear605 7y ago
        That's an obviously false equivalence. There are plenty of ways to work effectively without relying on fascism.
  - ignorereality 7y ago
    So your argument is that children should be put in jail cells with their parents, or that we should have open borders. Stellar.