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Why is this just now being called out? The current administration is doing the same as the Obama administration.

olliej 7y ago
Um, because under Obama ICE wasn’t putting kids in cages? Because it wasn’t withholding bedding? It wasn’t separating families and then “accidentally” losing track of the children? Children weren’t dying while in jail away from their parents? They weren’t denied food and clean water? Should I go on?
- commandlinefan 7y ago
  > it wasn’t withholding bedding? They actually tried to buy extra beds and one of the “do no business with ICE” companies refused to sell to them, so they ended up with fewer beds: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/26/wayfair-draws-backlash-calls-for-boycott-after-employee-protest.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/26/wayfair-draws-backlash-calls...
  - olliej 7y ago
    No. I didn't say not providing bedding, I said removing existing bedding. Because ICE believes in collective punishment of children, and considers removing bedding to be acceptable. [1,2] Here's a question for pro-ICE people: if another country started rounding up and separating American families, then lost track of the children, would you support those actions as well? Or does it only apply to people with the wrong skin color? [1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-building-where-the-government-is-holding-immigrant-children https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-buildi... [2] https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1142540367797116929 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1142540367797116929
- trothamel 7y ago
  Note that according to Snopes, Obama's ICE was putting kids in cages. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigran...
  - ignorereality 7y ago
    Oh, but you know Snopes is just an arm of the GOP /s
- jki275 7y ago
  The Obama admin did exactly what this administration has done. You just didn't care because of identity politics.
  - sascha_sl 7y ago
    That is untrue, and you're saying that in a thread with references refuting your claim. Fuck your alternative facts.
    - jki275 7y ago
      Even Snopes says it's true.
      - sascha_sl 7y ago
        No, they said one aspect was true. Not the same thing.
        jki275 7y ago
        It’s true and you know it. You just don’t want to believe it.
  - DarmokJalad1701 7y ago
    Did the Obama admin imprison legal asylum seekers and separate them from their kids, and then lose track of said kids?
    - jki275 7y ago
      People who illegally cross the border are not legal asylum seekers. Those who do so with children they are trafficking are even more of an issue, and you know this is happening.
      - letmeinhere 7y ago
        It sounds like your answer is "no, but I actually approve of the new cruelty"
mattnewton 7y ago
Because the scale of the operation and public awareness have both increased after a president got elected on a platform of curbing immigration and increasing deportations. More and more people have become aware. It was bad when the Obama administration did it, and it is worse now.
- vesche 7y ago
  It's been pretty linear since the 90's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...
  - letmeinhere 7y ago
    Are the deaths of child detainees linear? Are the days children spend in detention linear? Are the separations from parents linear? Is the explicit targeting of long-time residents with no criminal history linear? Why is it important for you to dismiss changes that the current administration explicitly campaigned to enact, and that is clearly manifest? Does it make you feel better about not trying to change anything for the better?
    - vesche 7y ago
      I'm not dismissing anything, I think you made a lot of assumptions based on me dropping a link. The post I responded to indicated that this issue has gotten much worse with the current administration, which isn't true. I think if we're going to fix the issue, we need to be honest about the issue.

Um, because under Obama ICE wasn’t putting kids in cages? Because it wasn’t withholding bedding? It wasn’t separating families and then “accidentally” losing track of the children? Children weren’t dying while in jail away from their parents? They weren’t denied food and clean water? Should I go on?

commandlinefan 7y ago
> it wasn’t withholding bedding? They actually tried to buy extra beds and one of the “do no business with ICE” companies refused to sell to them, so they ended up with fewer beds: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/26/wayfair-draws-backlash-calls-for-boycott-after-employee-protest.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/26/wayfair-draws-backlash-calls...
- olliej 7y ago
  No. I didn't say not providing bedding, I said removing existing bedding. Because ICE believes in collective punishment of children, and considers removing bedding to be acceptable. [1,2] Here's a question for pro-ICE people: if another country started rounding up and separating American families, then lost track of the children, would you support those actions as well? Or does it only apply to people with the wrong skin color? [1] https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-building-where-the-government-is-holding-immigrant-children https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/inside-a-texas-buildi... [2] https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1142540367797116929 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1142540367797116929
trothamel 7y ago
Note that according to Snopes, Obama's ICE was putting kids in cages. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigran...
- ignorereality 7y ago
  Oh, but you know Snopes is just an arm of the GOP /s
jki275 7y ago
The Obama admin did exactly what this administration has done. You just didn't care because of identity politics.
- sascha_sl 7y ago
  That is untrue, and you're saying that in a thread with references refuting your claim. Fuck your alternative facts.
  - jki275 7y ago
    Even Snopes says it's true.
    - sascha_sl 7y ago
      No, they said one aspect was true. Not the same thing.
      - jki275 7y ago
        It’s true and you know it. You just don’t want to believe it.
- DarmokJalad1701 7y ago
  Did the Obama admin imprison legal asylum seekers and separate them from their kids, and then lose track of said kids?
  - jki275 7y ago
    People who illegally cross the border are not legal asylum seekers. Those who do so with children they are trafficking are even more of an issue, and you know this is happening.
    - letmeinhere 7y ago
      It sounds like your answer is "no, but I actually approve of the new cruelty"

mattnewton 7y ago

Because the scale of the operation and public awareness have both increased after a president got elected on a platform of curbing immigration and increasing deportations. More and more people have become aware. It was bad when the Obama administration did it, and it is worse now.

vesche 7y ago
It's been pretty linear since the 90's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...
- letmeinhere 7y ago
  Are the deaths of child detainees linear? Are the days children spend in detention linear? Are the separations from parents linear? Is the explicit targeting of long-time residents with no criminal history linear? Why is it important for you to dismiss changes that the current administration explicitly campaigned to enact, and that is clearly manifest? Does it make you feel better about not trying to change anything for the better?
  - vesche 7y ago
    I'm not dismissing anything, I think you made a lot of assumptions based on me dropping a link. The post I responded to indicated that this issue has gotten much worse with the current administration, which isn't true. I think if we're going to fix the issue, we need to be honest about the issue.