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Good hopefully he can separate GNU from the FSF and get it under responsible stewardship.

sounds 7y ago
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Do you feel the FSF is irresponsible? If not, what are you trying to say? Can you share any specifics? What evidence do you have to back up your claims?
- emilfihlman 7y ago
  FSF fell for the hit piece.
  - butchlugrod 7y ago
    The "hit piece" was written by Stallman himself.
    - daze42 7y ago
      I believe this is what is being referred to https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec2...
    - sounds 7y ago
      I believe the parent is saying Stallman was resigned from the role of president of the FSF over the controversy about his private emails (when they were made public). The MIT CSAIL and the FSF (according to the parent) were both deceived by a "hit piece." It's not 100% clear what the parent is calling a "hit piece," but this might be it: https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec2... Richard Stallman's email announcing he is resigning his position at MIT CSAIL: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September_2019_(Resignation) https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September... FSF announcement of Richard Stallman resigning: https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns
    - fierarul 7y ago
      > If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.
      - shadowgovt 7y ago
        Cardinal Richelieu. Maybe; origin of the quote is a bit disputed. In any case, it's a cute sentiment but it's unclear it has any bearing on a world that isn't an authoritarian universe with a power-protected clergy class. Perhaps in terms of modern-day utility, we can interpret it as a warning to always check primary sources, not trust someone else to have accurately or honestly arranged six lines of text from a third party. (Unfortunately for rms, the primary sources don't actually make him look that good in this situation, since he decided to "um actually" a conversation about rape).
    - Rebelgecko 7y ago
      I think they're referring to this article, which took his quotes entirely out of context since Stallman never said that the victims were willing (quite the opposite) https://www.thedailybeast.com/famed-mit-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-defends-epstein-victims-were-entirely-willing https://www.thedailybeast.com/famed-mit-computer-scientist-r...
      - dimensi0nal 7y ago
        The original hit piece was from Vice: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-sci...
    - asjw 7y ago
      It was written by an engineer who didn't know who Stallaman is and works for the US military.
      - saagarjha 7y ago
        I don't see how a person's employment in the military is relevant here.
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- hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
  Yes. They got rid of RMS based on slander and libel. They are no long relevant to Free Software.
  - iamasoftwaredev 7y ago
    and truth and past actions.
    - ivalm 7y ago
      what truth and past actions? seriously I see lots of vague references but no one actually links to anything concrete. I get a very "it is known" vibe here, which is usually baseless.
    - hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
      Please just stop with the libel. Either present evidence or stop defaming people.
      - joshuamorton 7y ago
        First hand accounts are evidence. That you dislike or disbelieve them doesn't make them libelous, it just means you don't want to believe firsthand accounts of bad actions by a person you admire.
        sterkekoffie 7y ago
        Pretty sure she was saying that hand-wavey statements like "he's done bad things in the past" are libelous, not people talking about their experiences. Regardless: there's another option here, where you don't dislike or disbelieve anyone, including rms. Just keep that in mind.
        joshuamorton 7y ago
        It's very difficult for me to square "these are libelous hit pieces" with not disbelieving people when said libelous hit pieces reference firsthand accounts. Said handwavey statements are also not libelous, at all. Libel is a high bar.
flukus 7y ago
Is there a way to donate to GNU directly? Seems like through the FSF is the only way and after their recent actions I'm not willing to do that.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Do you feel the FSF is irresponsible? If not, what are you trying to say? Can you share any specifics? What evidence do you have to back up your claims?

emilfihlman 7y ago
FSF fell for the hit piece.
- butchlugrod 7y ago
  The "hit piece" was written by Stallman himself.
  - daze42 7y ago
    I believe this is what is being referred to https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec2...
  - sounds 7y ago
    I believe the parent is saying Stallman was resigned from the role of president of the FSF over the controversy about his private emails (when they were made public). The MIT CSAIL and the FSF (according to the parent) were both deceived by a "hit piece." It's not 100% clear what the parent is calling a "hit piece," but this might be it: https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec2... Richard Stallman's email announcing he is resigning his position at MIT CSAIL: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September_2019_(Resignation) https://stallman.org/archives/2019-jul-oct.html#16_September... FSF announcement of Richard Stallman resigning: https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns https://www.fsf.org/news/richard-m-stallman-resigns
  - fierarul 7y ago
    > If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.
    - shadowgovt 7y ago
      Cardinal Richelieu. Maybe; origin of the quote is a bit disputed. In any case, it's a cute sentiment but it's unclear it has any bearing on a world that isn't an authoritarian universe with a power-protected clergy class. Perhaps in terms of modern-day utility, we can interpret it as a warning to always check primary sources, not trust someone else to have accurately or honestly arranged six lines of text from a third party. (Unfortunately for rms, the primary sources don't actually make him look that good in this situation, since he decided to "um actually" a conversation about rape).
  - Rebelgecko 7y ago
    I think they're referring to this article, which took his quotes entirely out of context since Stallman never said that the victims were willing (quite the opposite) https://www.thedailybeast.com/famed-mit-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-defends-epstein-victims-were-entirely-willing https://www.thedailybeast.com/famed-mit-computer-scientist-r...
    - dimensi0nal 7y ago
      The original hit piece was from Vice: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-scientist-richard-stallman-described-epstein-victims-as-entirely-willing https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9ke3ke/famed-computer-sci...
  - asjw 7y ago
    It was written by an engineer who didn't know who Stallaman is and works for the US military.
    - saagarjha 7y ago
      I don't see how a person's employment in the military is relevant here.
      - deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
Yes. They got rid of RMS based on slander and libel. They are no long relevant to Free Software.
- iamasoftwaredev 7y ago
  and truth and past actions.
  - ivalm 7y ago
    what truth and past actions? seriously I see lots of vague references but no one actually links to anything concrete. I get a very "it is known" vibe here, which is usually baseless.
  - hdfbdtbcdg 7y ago
    Please just stop with the libel. Either present evidence or stop defaming people.
    - joshuamorton 7y ago
      First hand accounts are evidence. That you dislike or disbelieve them doesn't make them libelous, it just means you don't want to believe firsthand accounts of bad actions by a person you admire.
      - sterkekoffie 7y ago
        Pretty sure she was saying that hand-wavey statements like "he's done bad things in the past" are libelous, not people talking about their experiences. Regardless: there's another option here, where you don't dislike or disbelieve anyone, including rms. Just keep that in mind.
        joshuamorton 7y ago
        It's very difficult for me to square "these are libelous hit pieces" with not disbelieving people when said libelous hit pieces reference firsthand accounts. Said handwavey statements are also not libelous, at all. Libel is a high bar.

flukus 7y ago

Is there a way to donate to GNU directly? Seems like through the FSF is the only way and after their recent actions I'm not willing to do that.