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But we agree that that's the background and Taiwan hasn't reached consensus to change the official policy, right? OP is getting dogpiled for pointing out the g

But we agree that that's the background and Taiwan hasn't reached consensus to change the official policy, right? OP is getting dogpiled for pointing out the grade school history overview of the topic. As for whether the threat of invasion is the deciding factor on the official ROC policy.. I think it's better explained by the fact that everything is going fine with two Chinas. They trade a ton, everyone's happy. Why mess with that just because the diplomatic positions don't make logical sense?

learc83 7y ago
>But we agree that that's the background and Taiwan hasn't reached consensus to change the official policy, right? What part of China has threatened to invade them over changing their policy makes that policy a coerced statement and not an accurate representation of their intent do you not understand?
- yourbandsucks 7y ago
  The part where anyone thinks it's a credible threat? I honestly thought that went without saying. You really think China's 5 seconds away from a bloody invasion? China is Taiwan's largest trading partner. Everyone's getting rich, in both countries. Taiwan is and will remain independent, everyone knows this, China doesn't care.
  - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
    "China is Taiwan's largest trading partner." This seems like even more coercion opportunity on the part of China onto Taiwan, tbh. I doubt Taiwan has similar leverage over China to asswert its independence.
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  - learc83 7y ago
    >The part where anyone thinks it's a credible threat? 50% of people in Taiwan believe that China will invade if they declare independence. So yes half of the country thinks it's a credible threat. [1, 2] And only 6% think their situation has improved over this time last year. So "everyone's getting richer" certain isn't the perception in Taiwan. 1. Survey http://www.taiwansecurity.org/app/news.php?Sn=15761 http://www.taiwansecurity.org/app/news.php?Sn=15761 2. Summary https://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-latest-opinion-polls-say-about-taiwan-46187 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-latest-opinion-pol...
    - yourbandsucks 7y ago
      But do you think it's likely that the PRC actually invades Taiwan? I'm not taking a side on PRC vs ROC, maybe you're misunderstanding me. I just honestly thought it was taken for granted that that's pretty unlikely. All the talk about who's sovereign has been polite fiction for some time now. (and, I'll admit I haven't done a ton of research on Taiwanese public opinion, but unless/until I do so, I'm going to take 'taiwansecurity.org' in English's takes with a grain of salt - Ahmed Chalabi sounded good too)
      - learc83 7y ago
        Doesn't really matter what I think. It matters what the people making the decision and the people voting for them think. If they think the threat is real, they are being coerced. That's all there is to it. The survey was done by a Taiwanese University in cooperation with Duke University. If you want to dismiss it without doing any research then have at it.
        yourbandsucks 7y ago
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learc83 7y ago

>But we agree that that's the background and Taiwan hasn't reached consensus to change the official policy, right? What part of China has threatened to invade them over changing their policy makes that policy a coerced statement and not an accurate representation of their intent do you not understand?

yourbandsucks 7y ago
The part where anyone thinks it's a credible threat? I honestly thought that went without saying. You really think China's 5 seconds away from a bloody invasion? China is Taiwan's largest trading partner. Everyone's getting rich, in both countries. Taiwan is and will remain independent, everyone knows this, China doesn't care.
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago
  "China is Taiwan's largest trading partner." This seems like even more coercion opportunity on the part of China onto Taiwan, tbh. I doubt Taiwan has similar leverage over China to asswert its independence.
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- learc83 7y ago
  >The part where anyone thinks it's a credible threat? 50% of people in Taiwan believe that China will invade if they declare independence. So yes half of the country thinks it's a credible threat. [1, 2] And only 6% think their situation has improved over this time last year. So "everyone's getting richer" certain isn't the perception in Taiwan. 1. Survey http://www.taiwansecurity.org/app/news.php?Sn=15761 http://www.taiwansecurity.org/app/news.php?Sn=15761 2. Summary https://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-latest-opinion-polls-say-about-taiwan-46187 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/what-latest-opinion-pol...
  - yourbandsucks 7y ago
    But do you think it's likely that the PRC actually invades Taiwan? I'm not taking a side on PRC vs ROC, maybe you're misunderstanding me. I just honestly thought it was taken for granted that that's pretty unlikely. All the talk about who's sovereign has been polite fiction for some time now. (and, I'll admit I haven't done a ton of research on Taiwanese public opinion, but unless/until I do so, I'm going to take 'taiwansecurity.org' in English's takes with a grain of salt - Ahmed Chalabi sounded good too)
    - learc83 7y ago
      Doesn't really matter what I think. It matters what the people making the decision and the people voting for them think. If they think the threat is real, they are being coerced. That's all there is to it. The survey was done by a Taiwanese University in cooperation with Duke University. If you want to dismiss it without doing any research then have at it.
      - yourbandsucks 7y ago
        .