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They do not belong to the "Chinese" Wikipedia, they are "Yue", "Min Nan" Wikipedia. "Classical" Chinese also has its own version. They are communities of their
by segfaultbuserr 7y ago
They do not belong to the "Chinese" Wikipedia, they are "Yue", "Min Nan" Wikipedia. "Classical" Chinese also has its own version. They are communities of their own, with separate governance and participants. The "Chinese" Wikipedia do not intervene the internal politics of other languages as well. They exist because Wikipedia allows the existence of different version for each language, and the proponents believe it's good to promote the local culture by writing in their own languages. I don't see any problems, and I fully support it.
But beware that the number of viewers, articles, and editors is significantly smaller than the "Chinese" Wikipedia. As a natural result, many of these have reached far from the level of sophistication of Chinese Wikipedia, in terms of content, policies, or governance. The central of mass is always the "Chinese" edition.
In particular, because the Chinese Wikipedia was launched in 2004, it has the most robust policies regarding to these conflicts. There exists a consensus of how the official policies of Wikipedia, such as Neutral Point of View, No Original Research, Citing Sources, should be enforced regarding to the articles about China, the guidelines are clear. Other languages of Wikipedia related to China may not have them.
For example, this is a full translation of the official policies of the Chinese Wikipedia that all editors should follow regarding to the issues of Taiwan,
> Avoid "mainland China" centric view, for example: "Taiwan is part of the People's Republic of China" is not acceptable, but it can be written as: "The People's Republic of China claims Taiwan is part of it."
> Every record on Wikipedia should try to avoid biasing the status quo about Taiwan. Even though the United Nations and most of the world's independent countries have recognized the government of the People's Republic of China as the sole legitimate government representing China, Wikipedia should reflect the reality of neutrality, so that the term "China" should not be considered as a single independent political entity or government. In particular, "China" should not be used to describe areas under the jurisdiction of the People's Republic of China, or as a synonym with "Mainland China" which does not include Hong Kong and Macau.
> Use the more neutral "Beijing Government" or "Beijing" to represent the "Government of the People's Republic of China". Avoid using the "Chinese Government", "Chinese Communist Party Government", "Mainland Government" and "Mainland Administration" which are usually derogatory. For neutral abbreviations, please consider using the [[People's Government of the People's Republic of China | Beijing Government]] format for internal links.
> Similarly, if the term “Republic of China” is used to describe the content to be written, the term “Taiwan” should not be used when accuracy is desired, especially when naming items related to the government, law or politics of the Republic of China. In order to maintain the neutrality of Wikipedia, we only refer to the government that ruled Taiwan, Wuhu, Kinmen and Matsu in the name of the government name that exists in Taiwan. The "Republic of China Government" moved to Taiwan can use the "Taipei Government" or "Taipei" as the abbreviation. It is also more neutral than "Taiwan Government" and "Taiwan Authority". However, please consider using the [[[[ Republic of China Government | Taipei Government]] format for internal links.
> Another sensitive point: Wikipedia sees the Republic of China as having the same status as the People’s Republic of China, meaning that the two sides are equal and not affiliated political entities; but to remain neutral, whether the two are a country or two countries, Wikipedia's position is to remain silent and not to support or oppose any party. Editors should pay attention when writing the articles.
> When describing the government, or projects related to the State, the full name of the official country, such as the "People's Republic of China", "Republic of China", etc., should be used. For example, "Xi Jinping is the president of the People's Republic of China" is more appropriate than "Xi Jinping is the Chinese president." Similarly, "only the citizens of the Republic of China can participate in the presidential election of the Republic of China" is more appropriate than "only Taiwanese nationals can participate in the presidential election in Taiwan."
> Taiwan (as a province) should not be described as an independent country or part of the People’s Republic of China, but rather as part of the Republic of China. When it is necessary to mention the political situation in Taiwan, it is reasonable to add notes to explain the complex situation concerning Taiwan. Therefore, the term "Taiwan" is used only to refer to the island or the Taiwan Province of the Republic of China. Furthermore, since "Taiwan Province" is very controversial in some aspects and applications, it should only be used when the province itself is specifically mentioned. For example, "Song Chuyu is the only elected governor of Taiwan". But In the content of items not related to government, law, politics, etc., we can use Taiwan as the abbreviation of the Republic of China after moving to Taiwan.
> By convention, Wikipedia will not approve or oppose the following two issues:
* The Constitution of the People’s Republic of China declares that Taiwan is the territory of the People’s Republic
* The Constitution of the Republic of China declares that the inherent territory includes mainland China.
> As we said before, Wikipedia's position on whether the two sides of the strait is a country or two countries is to remain silent.
> For non-official institutions and international events, such as the Olympic Games, the official name of the conference should be used. At the Olympic Games, the "Chinese Taipei Team" should be used instead of the "Taiwan Team", the "Chinese Team" or the "Republic of China". When it is necessary to compare with Taiwan for non-political purposes, the word "China Mainland" should be used instead of "Taiwan" and "China" (meaning "Taiwan" does not belong to "China"), and "Taiwan" / "Continental China" (meaning "Taiwan" belongs to "China"). In addition, although Hong Kong and Macau are under the jurisdiction of the People's Republic of China, they are generally not considered part of mainland China.
> It is worth noting that the above matters are not fully applicable to historical items, especially the historical part of the government of the Republic of China that has not yet included Taiwan.
Geography
> When writing geographic items, you should also avoid geographical centers. For example, the names of mainland China and Taiwan should at least indicate the name of the unit in which the first-level administrative region (the Chinese mainland is a province, a municipality, an autonomous region, or Taiwan is a province or a municipality).
Examples of mainland China and Taiwan:
> Incorrect description with geographical center: “The administrative division of Fengshan is divided into Fengshan Town, Fengqing County, Linyi City.” (Chinese users mostly do not know where Linyi City is, and the administrative divisions of counties and cities in China and Taiwan. The names are generally considered to be unfamiliar to most Chinese users, except in the central municipalities and the more prominent provincial capitals and other cities.)
> Correct description without geographical center: “Fengshan Town is located in Fengqing County, Linyi City, Yunnan Province, and the government administrative center is Fengqing City.”
> In Chinese Wikipedia, the highest level administrative unit of the location description is preferably based on the first level administrative unit, or can be indicated to cities with high visibility in the Chinese language circle, such as Xi'an, Luoyang, Nanjing, Wuhan, Guangzhou. , Shenzhen, Xiamen, Taipei, etc.
> Hong Kong example:
* Incorrect: "The highest temperature recorded by the our local Hong Kong Observatory in June of the past 50 years is..."
* Correct: "The highest temperature in June recorded by the Hong Kong Observatory between 1955 and 2005 is..."
> Do not use "foreign" or "foreign" as a place outside the Greater China region, or use "foreigners" to refer to non-Chinese people.
> The word "Mainland" and "Continent" can only be used when it involves Hong Kong, Macao, and Taiwan, and the word "China Mainland" and "Continental China" has been mentioned repetitively, to ensure no misunderstanding will occur.
- yorwba 7y agoThank you for this very informative comment. I did not mean to imply that these articles were part of the "Chinese" (i.e. zh) Wikipedia, however due to the regional overlap I'd expect contributors in these languages to also contribute to zh and follow similar community norms. Note that those Wikipedias are small relative to zh, but large in absolute terms. zh-min-nan (Southern Min) has 100 000+ articles, cdo (Eastern Min), wuu (Wu) and zh-yue (Cantonese) each have 10 000+. Admittedly, hak (Hakka) only has 1000+, so I probably shouldn't have linked to that one. (Also, I accidentally referred to it as Hokkien instead.) I don't think this proliferation of linguistic communities is a bad thing. I just think it's interesting how different the articles they produce are.
- segfaultbuserr 7y agoThanks for the responsive. > I don't think this proliferation of linguistic communities is a bad thing. I just think it's interesting how different the articles they produce are. Fully agree.