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How have they saved millions of lives?

ThomPete 7y ago
How many people do you think where brought to hospitals. What do you think the machines that build the hospitals were used for? How do you think we build damns, roads, buildings, how do you think power generators work and I could go on. Expand that to fossil fuels in general (medicine, concrete, asphalt, pesticides and thousands of other products) Blaming diesel for a public health crisis is like blaming the sun for melanomas or the wind for wrecked ships. Yes using diesel has consequences just as fossil fuels does but the upside of them far outweighs the downside and not using it would be far worse.
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  Not really the same as the sun and the wind. We can certainly use other fuels; its simply a choice.
  - ThomPete 7y ago
    Of course it's the same Things can have both positive and negative properties. Diesel is no exception and has certainly saved more people than it killed.
    - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
      Its facetious to compare forces of nature that we have to live with, to a simple choice of fuels that we don't. Diesel is ... cheap that's about it. Everything else about it, is a negative.
      - ThomPete 7y ago
        If you actually read what I wrote you would know that's not what I did. I already gave you just some of the positive effects of using Diesel luckily everyone can read for themselves.
        JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        Likewise, reading what I wrote would reveal, I don't regard Diesel as inevitable as the sun and the wind. That was a disingenuous comparison. That's all on this subject.
        ThomPete 7y ago
        Nice strawman. I didn't claim it was. So yeah you kind of exposed everything about your intentions here. Thanks for that.
        JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        "Blaming diesel for a public health crisis is like blaming the sun for melanomas or the wind for wrecked ships." Putting diesel in the category of 'sun' or 'wind' is pretty clear I think.
        ThomPete 7y ago
        Then you should think it through some more. The point is that it's absurd to only look at the negatives. Just like you wouldn't only be judging wind or the sun on negatives you can't only look at the negatives only of diesel you have to look at the positives and THEN decide whether it's worth it.
        JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        Perhaps others could attempt to be more clear, if they didn't mean what they actually wrote.
- diffeomorphism 7y ago
  How is that related to diesel vs petrol? Why would using petrol be "far worse"?
  - ThomPete 7y ago
    Well if you care about CO2 petrol is more than that.
    - diffeomorphism 7y ago
      And if you care about NOx and other pollutants diesel is more than that, which is what the article is about.
      - ThomPete 7y ago
        It's about a public health risk. Which needs to be contracted by how many lives it saved. Thats the only way to look at this if you want to assess whether it was a good or bad idea in the first place.

How many people do you think where brought to hospitals. What do you think the machines that build the hospitals were used for? How do you think we build damns, roads, buildings, how do you think power generators work and I could go on. Expand that to fossil fuels in general (medicine, concrete, asphalt, pesticides and thousands of other products) Blaming diesel for a public health crisis is like blaming the sun for melanomas or the wind for wrecked ships. Yes using diesel has consequences just as fossil fuels does but the upside of them far outweighs the downside and not using it would be far worse.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago
Not really the same as the sun and the wind. We can certainly use other fuels; its simply a choice.
- ThomPete 7y ago
  Of course it's the same Things can have both positive and negative properties. Diesel is no exception and has certainly saved more people than it killed.
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    Its facetious to compare forces of nature that we have to live with, to a simple choice of fuels that we don't. Diesel is ... cheap that's about it. Everything else about it, is a negative.
    - ThomPete 7y ago
      If you actually read what I wrote you would know that's not what I did. I already gave you just some of the positive effects of using Diesel luckily everyone can read for themselves.
      - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        Likewise, reading what I wrote would reveal, I don't regard Diesel as inevitable as the sun and the wind. That was a disingenuous comparison. That's all on this subject.
        ThomPete 7y ago
        Nice strawman. I didn't claim it was. So yeah you kind of exposed everything about your intentions here. Thanks for that.
        JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        "Blaming diesel for a public health crisis is like blaming the sun for melanomas or the wind for wrecked ships." Putting diesel in the category of 'sun' or 'wind' is pretty clear I think.
        ThomPete 7y ago
        Then you should think it through some more. The point is that it's absurd to only look at the negatives. Just like you wouldn't only be judging wind or the sun on negatives you can't only look at the negatives only of diesel you have to look at the positives and THEN decide whether it's worth it.
        JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        Perhaps others could attempt to be more clear, if they didn't mean what they actually wrote.
diffeomorphism 7y ago
How is that related to diesel vs petrol? Why would using petrol be "far worse"?
- ThomPete 7y ago
  Well if you care about CO2 petrol is more than that.
  - diffeomorphism 7y ago
    And if you care about NOx and other pollutants diesel is more than that, which is what the article is about.
    - ThomPete 7y ago
      It's about a public health risk. Which needs to be contracted by how many lives it saved. Thats the only way to look at this if you want to assess whether it was a good or bad idea in the first place.