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> Yes, and as I already wrote: "Apple has done that for both platforms." Yes I saw it the first time. They certainly did it. But we're talking about how well

> Yes, and as I already wrote: "Apple has done that for both platforms." Yes I saw it the first time. They certainly did it. But we're talking about how well they did it, aren't we? Usability and polish? > I'm not particularly fond of Snow Leopard over other releases, nor I see much "regression since then". You clearly aren't and clearly don't, but quite a few macOS users are, and do. Here's a sampling of regressions for your perusal: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/11/macos-bug-lets-you-log-in-as-admin-with-no-password-required/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/11/macos... https://furbo.org/2015/05/05/discoveryd-clusterfuck/ https://furbo.org/2015/05/05/discoveryd-clusterfuck/ > Uglier is pretty subjective if not downright wrong. If you like the new looks, good for you I guess. > Slower is easy: it's 100% wrong. In fact, can you show any number of it? I don't have any numbers. What I do have, is the experience running these successive releases on the same laptop. And it has definitely not been positive.

coldtea 7y ago
>Yes I saw it the first time. They certainly did it. But we're talking about how well they did it, aren't we? Usability and polish? Can you be specific? What exactly is the problem with "usability" and "polish" of said features I've mentioned, like Metal, APFS, Swift, SwingUI, etc? The only credible example I could think of that's unpolished is Catalyst (for porting iOS apps to Mac, unified backend) which is a work in progress... >You clearly aren't and clearly don't, but quite a few macOS users are, and do. Bad for them I guess. I, however, linked to a pro and well respected OS X reviewer, so there's that... >Here's a sampling of regressions for your perusal: I can give you tons of reports like those for any version you wish. Here's from an article about the myth of the "stable" Snow Leopard: "Initial experiences with Snow Leopard weren’t as blissful as more recent commentary remembers. The troubled rollout of MobileMe, iCloud’s precursor, was still an open wound. Soon after release, a major bug was discovered in Snow Leopard that would cause the home directories of guest accounts to be wiped completely. The issue was prevalent enough that Apple publicly responded and later issued an update, 10.6.2, to address the problem. Early updates to Snow Leopard were packed with fixes to a long list of bugs. A 2009 article from iLounge on Snow Leopard’s reliability is filled with comments from frustrated users, some considering moving back to Leopard. Time heals all wounds, right?" https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/31/snow-leopard-became-reliability-legend/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/31/snow-leopard-became-reliabili... >If you like the new looks, good for you I guess. Are there many people on record that they don't like them? I've never read any major complaints about the "new looks" anywhere. In fact the Dark Mode was almost universally praised... Not to mention the "new looks" are just incremental evolution (and mostly refinement) of how OS X looked since forever. What exactly don't you like? Anything concrete? Prefer this look? (10.2): https://zdnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2014/07/31/deed4628-185f-11e4-8460-00505685119a/b5cd755319a11936c65126af169448d6/mac-os-jag-i1.gif https://zdnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2014/07/31/deed4628-185f... Or this (10.4): http://blandname.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/mac-os-x-1047-server-screenshot.png http://blandname.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/mac-os-x-104... Or maybe this (Snow Leopard): https://cdn.arstechnica.net/20090828/snow-leopard-leak.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/20090828/snow-leopard-leak.png I'll take this at any day: https://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/macOS-Catalina-System-Preferences-Apple-ID-hero-001.jpg https://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/m... (Not to mention the dark mode) >I don't have any numbers. What I do have, is the experience running these successive releases on the same laptop. And it has definitely not been positive. Whatever...

coldtea 7y ago

>Yes I saw it the first time. They certainly did it. But we're talking about how well they did it, aren't we? Usability and polish? Can you be specific? What exactly is the problem with "usability" and "polish" of said features I've mentioned, like Metal, APFS, Swift, SwingUI, etc? The only credible example I could think of that's unpolished is Catalyst (for porting iOS apps to Mac, unified backend) which is a work in progress... >You clearly aren't and clearly don't, but quite a few macOS users are, and do. Bad for them I guess. I, however, linked to a pro and well respected OS X reviewer, so there's that... >Here's a sampling of regressions for your perusal: I can give you tons of reports like those for any version you wish. Here's from an article about the myth of the "stable" Snow Leopard: "Initial experiences with Snow Leopard weren’t as blissful as more recent commentary remembers. The troubled rollout of MobileMe, iCloud’s precursor, was still an open wound. Soon after release, a major bug was discovered in Snow Leopard that would cause the home directories of guest accounts to be wiped completely. The issue was prevalent enough that Apple publicly responded and later issued an update, 10.6.2, to address the problem. Early updates to Snow Leopard were packed with fixes to a long list of bugs. A 2009 article from iLounge on Snow Leopard’s reliability is filled with comments from frustrated users, some considering moving back to Leopard. Time heals all wounds, right?" https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/31/snow-leopard-became-reliability-legend/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/31/snow-leopard-became-reliabili... >If you like the new looks, good for you I guess. Are there many people on record that they don't like them? I've never read any major complaints about the "new looks" anywhere. In fact the Dark Mode was almost universally praised... Not to mention the "new looks" are just incremental evolution (and mostly refinement) of how OS X looked since forever. What exactly don't you like? Anything concrete? Prefer this look? (10.2): https://zdnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2014/07/31/deed4628-185f-11e4-8460-00505685119a/b5cd755319a11936c65126af169448d6/mac-os-jag-i1.gif https://zdnet4.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2014/07/31/deed4628-185f... Or this (10.4): http://blandname.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/mac-os-x-1047-server-screenshot.png http://blandname.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/mac-os-x-104... Or maybe this (Snow Leopard): https://cdn.arstechnica.net/20090828/snow-leopard-leak.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/20090828/snow-leopard-leak.png I'll take this at any day: https://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/macOS-Catalina-System-Preferences-Apple-ID-hero-001.jpg https://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/m... (Not to mention the dark mode) >I don't have any numbers. What I do have, is the experience running these successive releases on the same laptop. And it has definitely not been positive. Whatever...