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The real question is: can this offering compete with the specialized PaaS services we have seen emerge in the last year - heroku, GAE, djangy.djangozoom/eldairo

The real question is: can this offering compete with the specialized PaaS services we have seen emerge in the last year - heroku, GAE, djangy.djangozoom/eldairon, various node.js services, phpfog, etc... The specialized services will be less work to maintain for developers, and will offer unique additional features that Amazon will have a hard time keeping up with if they try to spread themselves too thin.

bialecki 16y ago
Because Iwork mainly in Python, I just checked out the offerings you mentioned for Python that aren't GAE. Both Djangy and Djangozoom are in private beta still, so I can't imagine they're that far along. Eldarion doesn't look self serve, although maybe that's just their site. It seems likely that, not only can Amazon compete, but could probably dominate. Heroku is a big outlier and really the first to demonstrate that the need/power of a PaaS. It doesn't look like there's anything nearly as mature for Python. Don't know about other languages/frameworks, but if it's like Python, Amazon has a big opportunity here.
- clarkevans 16y ago
  I'd also like to see a Python (WSGI) solution for AWS. I've had the opportunity to play around with andrewgodwin's ep.io and while also in private beta, is worth some attention.
- zoomzoom 16y ago
  Agreed - the only one I have actually used is GAE, and I was definitely not trying to endorse the other services as "too good to beat." Just trying to say that with all the different stacks out there for different languages and purposes there will be a benefit to specialization, which might not benefit from amazon's skillset as much as the provisioning of VPS's and other infrastructure has. For python hosting, GAE is probably the only real competition at this point. There is a HUGE opportunity to eliminate sysadmin work on all these stacks for smaller developers especially. I am just not sure if Amazon will domiate both the infrastructure and platform layer.

bialecki 16y ago

Because Iwork mainly in Python, I just checked out the offerings you mentioned for Python that aren't GAE. Both Djangy and Djangozoom are in private beta still, so I can't imagine they're that far along. Eldarion doesn't look self serve, although maybe that's just their site. It seems likely that, not only can Amazon compete, but could probably dominate. Heroku is a big outlier and really the first to demonstrate that the need/power of a PaaS. It doesn't look like there's anything nearly as mature for Python. Don't know about other languages/frameworks, but if it's like Python, Amazon has a big opportunity here.

clarkevans 16y ago
I'd also like to see a Python (WSGI) solution for AWS. I've had the opportunity to play around with andrewgodwin's ep.io and while also in private beta, is worth some attention.
zoomzoom 16y ago
Agreed - the only one I have actually used is GAE, and I was definitely not trying to endorse the other services as "too good to beat." Just trying to say that with all the different stacks out there for different languages and purposes there will be a benefit to specialization, which might not benefit from amazon's skillset as much as the provisioning of VPS's and other infrastructure has. For python hosting, GAE is probably the only real competition at this point. There is a HUGE opportunity to eliminate sysadmin work on all these stacks for smaller developers especially. I am just not sure if Amazon will domiate both the infrastructure and platform layer.