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> You said that it's necessary to sue to protect trademarks. In this case, where is the necessity? I understand you don't like questions. Moglen founded SFLC
by pedanticlawyer 7y ago
> You said that it's necessary to sue to protect trademarks. In this case, where is the necessity?
I understand you don't like questions.
Moglen founded SFLC and helped SFC come to the light.
He even registered SFC trademark, he asked for the cancellation of SFC, not the trademark of "Free Software".
Now it's sure that no one will try to register a trademark similar to FSLC or FSC dealing with free software.
With that move he protected both.
There's no need to double down on the false accusation line.
Facts are well know by now.
> You can choose to believe me or you can choose to believe I'm lying - entirely up to you.
I'm not a believer.
I prefer the sane way of doing things: reviewing evidence.
You are not providing any, just "believe me or not", which is not what I'd like to do when it's about my money.
You said something about Moglen that upset me, I've just asked for a clarification, that you refuse to provide.
> Eh. Asked him to resign with the understanding that he'd be fired otherwise
So you did fire him, but issued a different statement.
Good to know.
> It's not a crime, it's just inappropriate to take money from a company and provide legal opinions that serve their interests
When did this happen exactly?
Wasn't Moglen providing legal opinions to Debian, the FSF, Canonical, but not Oracle?
And What interests are you talking about?
Is Google any different from Oracle?
One of my favourite programmer ever, Alan Cox (who also kinda look like Stallman), worked for a long time on the Linux kernel but was also being paid by Intel for a few years. What's wrong about that?
> as general counsel for an organisation that strongly and publicly holds a different opinion
The different opinion was a minor difference though.
I remember the OpenZFS problem: the only difference was that Moglen believed that users can legally distribute copies of OpenZFS binary blobs as the result of the compilation of an openly licensed source code, while FSF said no.
They had the same opinion on everything else.
Even Linus said in the past “But one gray area in particular is something like a driver that was originally written for another operating system (ie clearly not a derived work of Linux in origin). At exactly what point does it become a derived work of the kernel (and thus fall under the GPL)?”
Is this enough to fire people?
BTW Canonical have been distributing OpenZFS for years now and the sky has not fallen, nor Oracle have become richer thanks to that. They still distribute the real ZFS (the proprietary one) which is a much better implementation of ZFS.
- mjg59 7y ago> With that move he protected both. He protected the Software Freedom Conservancy by accusing it of violating the Software Freedom Law Center trademark? You're going to need to explain that more clearly. > I've just asked for a clarification, that you refuse to provide. I've clarified as much as I can. When there's no other public evidence available, what do you want me to do? > The different opinion was a minor difference though. It really wasn't. > Is this enough to fire people? Evidently.
- pedanticlawyer 7y ago> You're going to need to explain that more clearly. I think you are intelligent enough to understand it on your own. BTW, I know asking question is good, but sometimes try to answer other people's questions, it's good too! > When there's no other public evidence available, what do you want me to do? So we can safely assume he did not do anything you say, he's innocent until proven guilty, like any of us, right? > It really wasn't. It really was. I'm with Joshua Gay (former employee of the FSF Licensing & Compliance Team) on this: It is not clear to me that there is any contradiction between the SFLC statement and the FSF’s statement on the matter of Linux and ZFS. That is, I can’t really find how the SFLC and FSF differ in their interpretation GPLv2 and CDDL. The complete comment can be found here https://blog.halon.org.uk/2017/11/software-freedom-law-center-and-conservancy/#comment-16322 https://blog.halon.org.uk/2017/11/software-freedom-law-cente... >> Is this enough to fire people? > Evidently That's why it is bad, if it wasn't evident. FSF should not act as evil corporations do.
- mjg59 7y ago> I think you are intelligent enough to understand it on your own. I wouldn't be asking if I could. How does "Software Freedom Conservancy" damage the "Software Freedom Law Center" trademark? > So we can safely assume he did not do anything you say, he's innocent until proven guilty, like any of us, right? Given the lack of independent corroboration, it's certainly reasonable for you to assume that I'm mistaken or lying.
- 7y ago