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It would be interesting to know whether people living in a country with a broken political system, for example one characterized by oligarchy[1] and two eternal

It would be interesting to know whether people living in a country with a broken political system, for example one characterized by oligarchy[1] and two eternal parties[2], are more likely to feel that it's the duty of employer to carry their political placard. I definitely think companies have a moral duty to spend their efforts on good things, and there are many examples of deeply immoral companies. But any society will also have political questions where people disagree, without there being a strong good/evil aspect to it. For example 'should the tax rate be 25%' or 'how should we organize our healthy system for the lowest cost / GDP'? Forcing every company to debate these questions internally, and kicking customers off their product for violations, seems like an inefficient system. But I think employee demand for such things will be higher in countries where they don't feel represented via the political system. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting#Criticisms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting#Cri...

gremlinsinc 7y ago
I think by this point there's no question that ICE is at best a questionable agency, at worst - one step removed from hitler's SS and concentration camps. Maybe if the issues at the border weren't so deplorable there might still be a grey area of 'are they really so bad', but since Trump's come into office they've blatantly become more and more powerful and have enacted human rights violations which most other countries would have UN workers fighting but since we're the USA, they cowtow around us.
etiene 7y ago
Sure, 'should the tax rate be 25%' seems like an unimportant discussion for companies to debate internally. Do you think all political questions carry similar weights of debate importance or that some questions might be different?
- sandstrom 7y ago
  Yeah, surely there is some continuum, from some boring federal museum to tax rates to Guantanamo. My main point wasn't to argue which weight this particular topic should be given. Rather, I'm curious whether employees in countries with non-functioning governments are more likely to try to influence policy through their job? From a European perspective it seems like this may be the case.
  - etiene 7y ago
    Oh, I understand your question now. From an European perspective, there is hardly any reason to hold our governments standards as having the moral grounds to establish what's the most efficient way to act in ethical issues like this. Perhaps relative to the USA, yes, so you could be correct that certain government's ineptitudes have a correlation with how creative people get to get heard. Either way, the whole question of dealing with ethics from the efficiency perspectice is one that bothers me and a whole discussion in itself.

gremlinsinc 7y ago

I think by this point there's no question that ICE is at best a questionable agency, at worst - one step removed from hitler's SS and concentration camps. Maybe if the issues at the border weren't so deplorable there might still be a grey area of 'are they really so bad', but since Trump's come into office they've blatantly become more and more powerful and have enacted human rights violations which most other countries would have UN workers fighting but since we're the USA, they cowtow around us.

etiene 7y ago

Sure, 'should the tax rate be 25%' seems like an unimportant discussion for companies to debate internally. Do you think all political questions carry similar weights of debate importance or that some questions might be different?

sandstrom 7y ago
Yeah, surely there is some continuum, from some boring federal museum to tax rates to Guantanamo. My main point wasn't to argue which weight this particular topic should be given. Rather, I'm curious whether employees in countries with non-functioning governments are more likely to try to influence policy through their job? From a European perspective it seems like this may be the case.
- etiene 7y ago
  Oh, I understand your question now. From an European perspective, there is hardly any reason to hold our governments standards as having the moral grounds to establish what's the most efficient way to act in ethical issues like this. Perhaps relative to the USA, yes, so you could be correct that certain government's ineptitudes have a correlation with how creative people get to get heard. Either way, the whole question of dealing with ethics from the efficiency perspectice is one that bothers me and a whole discussion in itself.