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many wonder/discuss what would they do say in 1936 in Germany when the illegals there were come for and taken away. I'm pretty sure that the people in that arti

by trhway 7y ago

many wonder/discuss what would they do say in 1936 in Germany when the illegals there were come for and taken away. I'm pretty sure that the people in that article would do https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/22/us/nashville-neighbors-help-prevent-ice-arrest/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/22/us/nashville-neighbors-help-p... . Unfortunately as history shows so far the people like this are minority. The rest of us - meh ... at best.

theferalrobot 7y ago
Are you implying that sending people from Mexico to Mexico is the same as sending them to a death camp? Mexico may not be 1st world but damn... that's a pretty harsh claim.
- trhway 7y ago
  1. https://www.pbs.org/video/harsh-detention-1561160200/ https://www.pbs.org/video/harsh-detention-1561160200/ "The Associated Press details grave conditions inside a Texas migrant detention facility where 250 infants, children and teenagers were being held without adequate food, water or sanitation during a recent visit" 2. not many knew back then that it were to become death camps, at least not at the beginning. For typical citizen back then it was presented and looked like a detention/concentration camp, and the citizens were ok with the people being taken there just on the mere basis of being some "other" people. It became death camps in the process and the populace complacence was a major factor here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps#Pre-war_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps#Pre-w...
  - theferalrobot 7y ago
    I know your trolling since your username is literally throwaway but I’ll still bite - these facilities are for people who are fleeing the poor conditions in their countries for a better life in the USA. The poor conditions are a product of inadequate resources to deal with an influx of people not systemic desire to exterminate. Not to mention your fallacious slippery slope fallacy this is a problem all countries face when dealing with larger than baseline immigration (see Southern European countries a few years ago with Syria).
dang 7y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." Let alone the mother of all unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- trhway 7y ago
  i think it is directly related - some people stand up to (including with a risk to themselves as one can only wonder what painful consequences may come from obstructing a federal officer), some take money from. For some reason mentioning obvious and strong historic parallels to the Nazi Germany is considered controversial here in the US - well, i come from USSR, a country which lost close to 30M of people due to the Nazi Germany, among them millions of Slavic (my ethnicity) and Jews (both are "subhuman races" with Slavic slated for 90% extermination with the rest to be enslaved, Jews - for 100%), my grandmother was a highly decorated veteran of that war, and a number of the members of extended family fought in the war too with some getting killed, and i see no reason to forget the history. If anything, i think we have to be vigilant in discovering, highlighting and fighting today anything and everything (like the complacence and cooperation with sub-humanization of a whole class of people) that back then resulted in such a catastrophe. Identifying the historic parallels is among the main tools here.
  - dang 7y ago
    It isn't about forgetting the history. I honor your family history that you've just described. It's about the cheap and trivial dynamics of internet flamewar, which will flood everything if you let it and which has nothing at all to do with the noble things you're describing. Your comment upthread was guaranteed to provoke that, no matter how sincere your intention and how significant your reason for holding it. If ever there was a case of "the medium is the message" this is it. No matter how elevated the material you put into that machine, you're going to get garbage out. We have many years of experience with this medium and others had decades of experience before us, and this experience teaches that if you throw Nazis into an arbitrary internet topic—especially one with any emotional charge, and especially if you do it quickly and glibly, as in your comment upthread—the forum will react like a chicken with its head cut off. What good or what honor does that do anyone? We need to be wiser about how we approach these things.
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by trhway 7y ago

theferalrobot 7y ago

Are you implying that sending people from Mexico to Mexico is the same as sending them to a death camp? Mexico may not be 1st world but damn... that's a pretty harsh claim.

trhway 7y ago
1. https://www.pbs.org/video/harsh-detention-1561160200/ https://www.pbs.org/video/harsh-detention-1561160200/ "The Associated Press details grave conditions inside a Texas migrant detention facility where 250 infants, children and teenagers were being held without adequate food, water or sanitation during a recent visit" 2. not many knew back then that it were to become death camps, at least not at the beginning. For typical citizen back then it was presented and looked like a detention/concentration camp, and the citizens were ok with the people being taken there just on the mere basis of being some "other" people. It became death camps in the process and the populace complacence was a major factor here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps#Pre-war_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps#Pre-w...
- theferalrobot 7y ago
  I know your trolling since your username is literally throwaway but I’ll still bite - these facilities are for people who are fleeing the poor conditions in their countries for a better life in the USA. The poor conditions are a product of inadequate resources to deal with an influx of people not systemic desire to exterminate. Not to mention your fallacious slippery slope fallacy this is a problem all countries face when dealing with larger than baseline immigration (see Southern European countries a few years ago with Syria).

dang 7y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." Let alone the mother of all unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

trhway 7y ago
i think it is directly related - some people stand up to (including with a risk to themselves as one can only wonder what painful consequences may come from obstructing a federal officer), some take money from. For some reason mentioning obvious and strong historic parallels to the Nazi Germany is considered controversial here in the US - well, i come from USSR, a country which lost close to 30M of people due to the Nazi Germany, among them millions of Slavic (my ethnicity) and Jews (both are "subhuman races" with Slavic slated for 90% extermination with the rest to be enslaved, Jews - for 100%), my grandmother was a highly decorated veteran of that war, and a number of the members of extended family fought in the war too with some getting killed, and i see no reason to forget the history. If anything, i think we have to be vigilant in discovering, highlighting and fighting today anything and everything (like the complacence and cooperation with sub-humanization of a whole class of people) that back then resulted in such a catastrophe. Identifying the historic parallels is among the main tools here.
- dang 7y ago
  It isn't about forgetting the history. I honor your family history that you've just described. It's about the cheap and trivial dynamics of internet flamewar, which will flood everything if you let it and which has nothing at all to do with the noble things you're describing. Your comment upthread was guaranteed to provoke that, no matter how sincere your intention and how significant your reason for holding it. If ever there was a case of "the medium is the message" this is it. No matter how elevated the material you put into that machine, you're going to get garbage out. We have many years of experience with this medium and others had decades of experience before us, and this experience teaches that if you throw Nazis into an arbitrary internet topic—especially one with any emotional charge, and especially if you do it quickly and glibly, as in your comment upthread—the forum will react like a chicken with its head cut off. What good or what honor does that do anyone? We need to be wiser about how we approach these things.

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