6 ms·

OpenBSD Crossed 400k Commits

154 points by fcambus 7y ago

FreeBaSeD 7y ago
https://freshbsd.org/status https://freshbsd.org/status
breck 7y ago
Anyone know of projects with >1M commits? >10M? >100M?
- Alupis 7y ago
  The Linux kernel is quickly approaching the 1M mark, currently sitting at 871k+[1] [1] https://github.com/torvalds/linux https://github.com/torvalds/linux
  - aloknnikhil 7y ago
    It also has 622 releases. So on an average, 1400 commits make it to a single release. And releases are RC level not just version bumps. A single version bump has well over 10000 commits on an average.
    - cameronbrown 7y ago
      Hasn't the rate of development grown too over the years? It's not going to be an even distribution.
      - aloknnikhil 7y ago
        Absolutely. It's a crude estimation. If anything, it's going to be even more commits per release. The point being, it's impressive that those many changes go into a single release of something as critical as the Linux kernel.
      - cyphar 7y ago
        Greg KH gives a pretty good talk about the rate of kernel development fairly regularly[1]. But yes, it's been consistently getting faster every kernel release. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyenmLqJQjs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyenmLqJQjs
  - cyphar 7y ago
    Note that this number doesn't include any pre-git history -- all of those commits were made after April 2005 (v2.6.12-rc2 is the first commit within git).
    - MarkSweep 7y ago
      The initial commit the parent comment is referring to: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/1da177e4c3f41524e886b7f1b8a0c1fc7321cac2 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/1da177e4c3f41524e88...
- dorfsmay 7y ago
  Rust just crossed 100 k: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/dcoirb/rust_now_has_more_than_100000_commits/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/dcoirb/rust_now_has_m...
- sunnyps 7y ago
  Chromium recently crossed a million bugs. And if you count Chromium and Blink together (they're in one repository for quite some time now), it's probably over a million commits too.
  - Mathnerd314 7y ago
    https://www.openhub.net/p/chrome https://www.openhub.net/p/chrome says 810K commits, blink is 182K commits (https://www.openhub.net/p/chromium-blink https://www.openhub.net/p/chromium-blink), so 993K. But the commit count is 2 months old and so they probably are over 1M now.
- emilsedgh 7y ago
  KDE reached 1 million commits ~10 years ago https://dot.kde.org/2009/07/20/kde-reaches-1000000-commits-its-subversion-repository https://dot.kde.org/2009/07/20/kde-reaches-1000000-commits-i...
  - akerro 7y ago
    KDE used to be monorepo right?
    - emilsedgh 7y ago
      Yes. It used to be, until they started moving to git at around the same time as the news article above.
      - ahartmetz 7y ago
        Well, with Subversion you can sort of have different repositories in one repository... I think just about nobody had a checkout of the monorepository (it was too large), so changes (e.g. in public API) in several parts of the stack were not perfectly synchronized. There was one check-in per atomic repository for such things.
- Mathnerd314 7y ago
  The Google monorepo had 35M in 2015: https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/41435/what-is-googles-repository-like https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/4143... Not sure what Microsoft's monorepo for Windows is like but it might be near 100M. Beyond that I would guess some aerospace or DoD projects have a larger codebase, but they probably don't use version control consistently.
  - pnako 7y ago
    I would be surprised if they had code bases that large. https://www.f35.com/about/life-cycle/software https://www.f35.com/about/life-cycle/software F-35 has 8 million LOCs. An equivalent C++ project would be Qt (~ 8 million LOCs and > 100k commits).
- cperciva 7y ago
  FreeBSD is getting close: 513k ports commits, 353k src commits, 53k doc commits. I'm guessing another year to get from 919k up to 1M?
- akerro 7y ago
  Number of commits highly depends on people in a project and workflow of the team. I make commits every 5, up to 10 minutes, so I do like 30-70 commits per day[1], some people in another team make a commit per day. Linux on github is close to 900k [2] https://imgur.com/a/nCuOJHU https://imgur.com/a/nCuOJHU https://github.com/torvalds/linux https://github.com/torvalds/linux
  - DJHenk 7y ago
    In our team it's even less. We rebase and squash to one commit before merging, so one commit can take a couple of days or even a week.
- fanf2 7y ago
  The Apache svn repository is approaching 1.9 million commits http://svn.apache.org/viewvc http://svn.apache.org/viewvc which includes all the various Apache projects
finnmagic 7y ago
It’d be beautiful to see a plot of how that number of commits has accumulated over time
- enriquto 7y ago
  Monotonic functions are boring to look at. I'd rather see its derivative, probably smoothed out a bit.
  - gunnihinn 7y ago
    Casts exponential function.
- sedatk 7y ago
  you can use Gource to get a graph like this: https://youtu.be/iZjvVxbM3kY https://youtu.be/iZjvVxbM3kY
- mulander 7y ago
  Two years ago I did something similar. Plotting the surviving lines of code in the OpenBSD code base across commits: https://twitter.com/mulander/status/809120593606049792 https://twitter.com/mulander/status/809120593606049792
  - albertzeyer 7y ago
    Nice plot. Interestingly, it seems that by far, relatively, most code from 1999 was removed. What did they add in that year, which got removed then (around 2014)?
    - cat199 7y ago
      not op, and not 100%/authoritative, but I can think of some things: - adding/refactoring locking for improved SMP support - dropping older architectures (VAX, etc) - dropping older protocols/servers (e.g ISDN, decnet sorts of things, obsoleted proto-IPv6 versions) - dropping/refactoring systrace - rewriting or dropping various network routing daemons (apache HTTPD 1.3 removed from tree at this time) - libressl replacement at this time see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD_version_history relatedly, in the openbsd world, Ted Unangst is well known enough for doing old/unused code audit+removal that there is a slang verb 'tedu' (his handle, usage e.g. "it got tedu'd") which means basically zapping old stuff. See 1st comment in the twitter thread..
dheera 7y ago
Why is 400K special? Why not 524288, considering we're coders after all?
- outlandishness 7y ago
  Because that’s the number of commits they recently passed. What about being coders makes it more interesting for us to wait a few more years than talk about it now? ;)
  - dheera 7y ago
    262144 then?
    - dheera 7y ago
      You downvoters are obviously not qualified to be hackers ... who uses decimal in a place called Hacker News?
azolotko 7y ago
400k CVS commits
- pnako 7y ago
  It's also probably one of the oldest open source repositories. OpenBSD pretty much pioneered the concept of making their VCS open to the public over the Internet (hence the name).
  - fanf2 7y ago
    Yes, OpenBSD invented anonymous CVS which was the first way to access a version control system without prior authorization http://www.openbsd.org/papers/anoncvs-paper.pdf http://www.openbsd.org/papers/anoncvs-paper.pdf It was already ubiquitous in 1997 when I got started working on open source software, so I took it for granted. I was surprised to find out 20 years later how new anoncvs had been and how fast it spread to other projects like FreeBSD and Apache httpd.
knorker 7y ago
Leave it to Theo to sneak in an "I'm better than you. Don't even speak to me because I'm so smart" into a celebratory announcement. I've seen it before. Him responding to bug reports, even when he's acknowledging the bug, adds a needless "I'm so smart and awesome, nobody else comes close" in there. Even when the bug report has exhaustive research showing that only OpenBSD has this bug. Yeah… You're welcome. (still, I'm considering switching to OpenBSD as my main OS because yes the code quality is mostly very high)
- brobdingnagians 7y ago
  I read it more like a quantum quandry, you never know exactly how many commits there are, but we will celebrate one possible measure because it comes close and that's a landmark. One would seem to think his statement also applies to himself: >If you think you've got a great way of measuring, don't be so sure of yourself -- you may have overcounted or undercounted. By his own admission, his own counting method is probably flawed.
- auslander 7y ago
  > .. because yes the code quality is mostly very high because he is, actually, smart? I'm in totally different field, devops, don't laugh :), but I religiously follow their approaches to security and design in general.
  - Yuioup 7y ago
    That seems to me a healthy approach
  - knorker 7y ago
    Yes he is. I complimented on the code quality, and that doesn't come from itself. But "being smart" does not require you to be arrogant and condescending. Theo is, and seems to need to say "I AM SMART" all the time. Like "Hey, I found this thing where the manpage says X but look the implementation is actually Y. POSIX says X, so probably Y is a bug". Answer: "I AM SMART. I will fix this". Ooooo-kay. I didn't say you weren't smart.
- 7y ago

154 points by fcambus 7y ago

FreeBaSeD 7y ago

https://freshbsd.org/status https://freshbsd.org/status

breck 7y ago

Anyone know of projects with >1M commits? >10M? >100M?

Alupis 7y ago
The Linux kernel is quickly approaching the 1M mark, currently sitting at 871k+[1] [1] https://github.com/torvalds/linux https://github.com/torvalds/linux
- aloknnikhil 7y ago
  It also has 622 releases. So on an average, 1400 commits make it to a single release. And releases are RC level not just version bumps. A single version bump has well over 10000 commits on an average.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    Hasn't the rate of development grown too over the years? It's not going to be an even distribution.
    - aloknnikhil 7y ago
      Absolutely. It's a crude estimation. If anything, it's going to be even more commits per release. The point being, it's impressive that those many changes go into a single release of something as critical as the Linux kernel.
    - cyphar 7y ago
      Greg KH gives a pretty good talk about the rate of kernel development fairly regularly[1]. But yes, it's been consistently getting faster every kernel release. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyenmLqJQjs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyenmLqJQjs
- cyphar 7y ago
  Note that this number doesn't include any pre-git history -- all of those commits were made after April 2005 (v2.6.12-rc2 is the first commit within git).
  - MarkSweep 7y ago
    The initial commit the parent comment is referring to: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/1da177e4c3f41524e886b7f1b8a0c1fc7321cac2 https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/1da177e4c3f41524e88...
dorfsmay 7y ago
Rust just crossed 100 k: https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/dcoirb/rust_now_has_more_than_100000_commits/ https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/dcoirb/rust_now_has_m...
sunnyps 7y ago
Chromium recently crossed a million bugs. And if you count Chromium and Blink together (they're in one repository for quite some time now), it's probably over a million commits too.
- Mathnerd314 7y ago
  https://www.openhub.net/p/chrome https://www.openhub.net/p/chrome says 810K commits, blink is 182K commits (https://www.openhub.net/p/chromium-blink https://www.openhub.net/p/chromium-blink), so 993K. But the commit count is 2 months old and so they probably are over 1M now.
emilsedgh 7y ago
KDE reached 1 million commits ~10 years ago https://dot.kde.org/2009/07/20/kde-reaches-1000000-commits-its-subversion-repository https://dot.kde.org/2009/07/20/kde-reaches-1000000-commits-i...
- akerro 7y ago
  KDE used to be monorepo right?
  - emilsedgh 7y ago
    Yes. It used to be, until they started moving to git at around the same time as the news article above.
    - ahartmetz 7y ago
      Well, with Subversion you can sort of have different repositories in one repository... I think just about nobody had a checkout of the monorepository (it was too large), so changes (e.g. in public API) in several parts of the stack were not perfectly synchronized. There was one check-in per atomic repository for such things.
Mathnerd314 7y ago
The Google monorepo had 35M in 2015: https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/41435/what-is-googles-repository-like https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/4143... Not sure what Microsoft's monorepo for Windows is like but it might be near 100M. Beyond that I would guess some aerospace or DoD projects have a larger codebase, but they probably don't use version control consistently.
- pnako 7y ago
  I would be surprised if they had code bases that large. https://www.f35.com/about/life-cycle/software https://www.f35.com/about/life-cycle/software F-35 has 8 million LOCs. An equivalent C++ project would be Qt (~ 8 million LOCs and > 100k commits).
cperciva 7y ago
FreeBSD is getting close: 513k ports commits, 353k src commits, 53k doc commits. I'm guessing another year to get from 919k up to 1M?
akerro 7y ago
Number of commits highly depends on people in a project and workflow of the team. I make commits every 5, up to 10 minutes, so I do like 30-70 commits per day[1], some people in another team make a commit per day. Linux on github is close to 900k [2] https://imgur.com/a/nCuOJHU https://imgur.com/a/nCuOJHU https://github.com/torvalds/linux https://github.com/torvalds/linux
- DJHenk 7y ago
  In our team it's even less. We rebase and squash to one commit before merging, so one commit can take a couple of days or even a week.
fanf2 7y ago
The Apache svn repository is approaching 1.9 million commits http://svn.apache.org/viewvc http://svn.apache.org/viewvc which includes all the various Apache projects

finnmagic 7y ago

It’d be beautiful to see a plot of how that number of commits has accumulated over time

enriquto 7y ago
Monotonic functions are boring to look at. I'd rather see its derivative, probably smoothed out a bit.
- gunnihinn 7y ago
  Casts exponential function.
sedatk 7y ago
you can use Gource to get a graph like this: https://youtu.be/iZjvVxbM3kY https://youtu.be/iZjvVxbM3kY
mulander 7y ago
Two years ago I did something similar. Plotting the surviving lines of code in the OpenBSD code base across commits: https://twitter.com/mulander/status/809120593606049792 https://twitter.com/mulander/status/809120593606049792
- albertzeyer 7y ago
  Nice plot. Interestingly, it seems that by far, relatively, most code from 1999 was removed. What did they add in that year, which got removed then (around 2014)?
  - cat199 7y ago
    not op, and not 100%/authoritative, but I can think of some things: - adding/refactoring locking for improved SMP support - dropping older architectures (VAX, etc) - dropping older protocols/servers (e.g ISDN, decnet sorts of things, obsoleted proto-IPv6 versions) - dropping/refactoring systrace - rewriting or dropping various network routing daemons (apache HTTPD 1.3 removed from tree at this time) - libressl replacement at this time see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD_version_history relatedly, in the openbsd world, Ted Unangst is well known enough for doing old/unused code audit+removal that there is a slang verb 'tedu' (his handle, usage e.g. "it got tedu'd") which means basically zapping old stuff. See 1st comment in the twitter thread..

dheera 7y ago

Why is 400K special? Why not 524288, considering we're coders after all?

outlandishness 7y ago
Because that’s the number of commits they recently passed. What about being coders makes it more interesting for us to wait a few more years than talk about it now? ;)
- dheera 7y ago
  262144 then?
  - dheera 7y ago
    You downvoters are obviously not qualified to be hackers ... who uses decimal in a place called Hacker News?

azolotko 7y ago

400k CVS commits

pnako 7y ago
It's also probably one of the oldest open source repositories. OpenBSD pretty much pioneered the concept of making their VCS open to the public over the Internet (hence the name).
- fanf2 7y ago
  Yes, OpenBSD invented anonymous CVS which was the first way to access a version control system without prior authorization http://www.openbsd.org/papers/anoncvs-paper.pdf http://www.openbsd.org/papers/anoncvs-paper.pdf It was already ubiquitous in 1997 when I got started working on open source software, so I took it for granted. I was surprised to find out 20 years later how new anoncvs had been and how fast it spread to other projects like FreeBSD and Apache httpd.

knorker 7y ago

Leave it to Theo to sneak in an "I'm better than you. Don't even speak to me because I'm so smart" into a celebratory announcement. I've seen it before. Him responding to bug reports, even when he's acknowledging the bug, adds a needless "I'm so smart and awesome, nobody else comes close" in there. Even when the bug report has exhaustive research showing that only OpenBSD has this bug. Yeah… You're welcome. (still, I'm considering switching to OpenBSD as my main OS because yes the code quality is mostly very high)

brobdingnagians 7y ago
I read it more like a quantum quandry, you never know exactly how many commits there are, but we will celebrate one possible measure because it comes close and that's a landmark. One would seem to think his statement also applies to himself: >If you think you've got a great way of measuring, don't be so sure of yourself -- you may have overcounted or undercounted. By his own admission, his own counting method is probably flawed.
auslander 7y ago
> .. because yes the code quality is mostly very high because he is, actually, smart? I'm in totally different field, devops, don't laugh :), but I religiously follow their approaches to security and design in general.
- Yuioup 7y ago
  That seems to me a healthy approach
- knorker 7y ago
  Yes he is. I complimented on the code quality, and that doesn't come from itself. But "being smart" does not require you to be arrogant and condescending. Theo is, and seems to need to say "I AM SMART" all the time. Like "Hey, I found this thing where the manpage says X but look the implementation is actually Y. POSIX says X, so probably Y is a bug". Answer: "I AM SMART. I will fix this". Ooooo-kay. I didn't say you weren't smart.
7y ago