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"US was already shown to be behind in 5g, China is already caught up." So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. "Heck they even helped A

"US was already shown to be behind in 5g, China is already caught up." So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. "Heck they even helped AMD catch up to Intel, and see what sort of major success that was ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD%E2%80%93Chinese_joint_vent.... ) " All I see here is an agreement for AMD to transfer technology to China, for x86 chips destined for chinese-only server market. Further, that agreement appears stalled, since AMD will NOT transfer their Zen2 technologies in this agreement. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-china-x86-ip-license,39573.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-zen-china-x86-ip-licen... "And yet China's manufacturing edge is not going anywhere. They can clone any US product anyone else is producing and sell it to their trading bloc." More like their manufacturing may not be going anywhere...their market has been shrinking by leaps and bounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Surveillance_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G#Surveillance_concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_over_Chinese_involvement_in_5G_wireless_networks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_over_Chinese_involvem... They can have Iran, AFAIC.

primordialsoup 7y ago
> So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. Do you have sources from non-"mainstream media" that indicate otherwise?
- wideasleep1 7y ago
  Presently, I'd consider The Verge to be mainstream, but Nilay was on point with his skepticism: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leadership-china-fcc-lte https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leade... I think one could produce articles supporting either view quite easily, which them becomes a task of separating the agendas of its authors.
  - thawaway1837 7y ago
    I’m pretty sure the poster you replied to was talking not about deployment of 5G but the fact that Huawei is supposed to be far ahead of its non Chinese peers when it comes to 5G tech. That’s basically why the US has to ban the supply of tech to them, because otherwise nearly every 5G deployment would be Huawei.
    - devoply 7y ago
      Yeah it's a national security concern because if someone is leading so heavily they will destroy your lead and then you will never catch up. Just look at what happened to so many European tech companies.
    - Teever 7y ago
      Is that the case or is it that the Chinese government is subsidizing the 5g products that Huawei makes so that western countries will purchasing them?
greatpatton 7y ago
I don't know but from a science point of view all our last research are based on paper coming from people at China companies (Alibaba, Tencent), that currently have the edge in our specific domain (machine learning). So yes in domains that mainly require your brain they have caught up if not ahead.
- missosoup 7y ago
  Alibaba has an edge in machine learning? The CEO of Alibaba is palpably clueless about anything relating to do with machine learning and I haven't seen any evidence that anyone else at the helm of the org is any better. Watch Elon Musk try really hard not to cringe at the shit Jack Ma says on the topic of ML. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3lUEnMaiAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3lUEnMaiAU
  - ishtiaque96 7y ago
    Daniel zhang is the ceo, get your facts right and daniel is way savy in tech than jack ma.
    - missosoup 7y ago
      Jack Ma stepped down just a month ago and was CEO at the time of the interview. He's completely clueless and he was at the helm. Those are facts.
- yorwba 7y ago
  Machine learning is a wide field. Could you give some examples of research you've done based on papers that came out of Alibaba, Tencent, etc.? I'm curious.
  - greatpatton 7y ago
    of course ML is a wide field but for instance these paper were quite relevant to our work: * https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.03903.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.03903.pdf * https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8710885 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8710885 but they are numerous, and the work done at Tsinghua University is very interesting By the way down voting a comment based on facts is rather silly...

primordialsoup 7y ago

> So the mainstream media and politicians would have us believe. Do you have sources from non-"mainstream media" that indicate otherwise?

wideasleep1 7y ago
Presently, I'd consider The Verge to be mainstream, but Nilay was on point with his skepticism: https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leadership-china-fcc-lte https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/23/18637213/5g-race-us-leade... I think one could produce articles supporting either view quite easily, which them becomes a task of separating the agendas of its authors.
- thawaway1837 7y ago
  I’m pretty sure the poster you replied to was talking not about deployment of 5G but the fact that Huawei is supposed to be far ahead of its non Chinese peers when it comes to 5G tech. That’s basically why the US has to ban the supply of tech to them, because otherwise nearly every 5G deployment would be Huawei.
  - devoply 7y ago
    Yeah it's a national security concern because if someone is leading so heavily they will destroy your lead and then you will never catch up. Just look at what happened to so many European tech companies.
  - Teever 7y ago
    Is that the case or is it that the Chinese government is subsidizing the 5g products that Huawei makes so that western countries will purchasing them?

greatpatton 7y ago

I don't know but from a science point of view all our last research are based on paper coming from people at China companies (Alibaba, Tencent), that currently have the edge in our specific domain (machine learning). So yes in domains that mainly require your brain they have caught up if not ahead.

missosoup 7y ago
Alibaba has an edge in machine learning? The CEO of Alibaba is palpably clueless about anything relating to do with machine learning and I haven't seen any evidence that anyone else at the helm of the org is any better. Watch Elon Musk try really hard not to cringe at the shit Jack Ma says on the topic of ML. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3lUEnMaiAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3lUEnMaiAU
- ishtiaque96 7y ago
  Daniel zhang is the ceo, get your facts right and daniel is way savy in tech than jack ma.
  - missosoup 7y ago
    Jack Ma stepped down just a month ago and was CEO at the time of the interview. He's completely clueless and he was at the helm. Those are facts.
yorwba 7y ago
Machine learning is a wide field. Could you give some examples of research you've done based on papers that came out of Alibaba, Tencent, etc.? I'm curious.
- greatpatton 7y ago
  of course ML is a wide field but for instance these paper were quite relevant to our work: * https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.03903.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.03903.pdf * https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8710885 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8710885 but they are numerous, and the work done at Tsinghua University is very interesting By the way down voting a comment based on facts is rather silly...