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If there’s really a trust issue on the offer side (advertisers) then why is YouTube asking survey questions about my demographics and related nonsense? I am a

If there’s really a trust issue on the offer side (advertisers) then why is YouTube asking survey questions about my demographics and related nonsense? I am a consumer and I don’t want the cognitive pollution associated with having images and sound shoved in my face. Full stop. Separately, worth mentioning, is the fact that the idea of introducing purposeful limitations deliberately to get people to pay more is also evil (I can play YouTube on my desktop and switch tabs, and on iOS for ex. it stops playback so you can buy YouTube Red). EDIT: Offer side/bid side is ambiguous since the model is “inverted” with advertising. I’m leaving my comment as is, but its probably better to say “bid side” in this specific case.

wutbrodo 7y ago
> Separately, worth mentioning, is the fact that the idea of introducing purposeful limitations deliberately to get people to pay more is also evil (I can play YouTube on my desktop and switch tabs, and on iOS for ex. it stops playback so you can buy YouTube Red). This is a fascinating claim to me. Selling access to a service is presumably okay, but having a limited-features version available for free use is "evil"?
- shakna 7y ago
  It isn't the access to the service that is evil. Rather, that you get a lesser service on a different platform unless you pay. Consumers expect the same experience regardless of platform. When that experience is free on some platforms but paid on another, it frustrates.
  - rusk 7y ago
    ability to use on different platforms = a feature
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      Feature or bug, that's ultimately up for the market to decide.
      - rusk 7y ago
        Pretty sure the market has adjudicated on YouTube at this stage LOL
    - chownie 7y ago
      It's weird to me to call this a feature, a few years ago it was a given. YouTube had to go out of their way to break playback on mobile to offer this "feature". I consider it a bug they've added purposefully and they request each user pay for.
      - rusk 7y ago
        It demands that engineeting resources are set aside and costed i each case. Both for implemtation and maintenance. It is definitely a feature whether youd been getting it for free up to now or not
dredmorbius 7y ago
That click-away behaviour is easily addressed by using VLC or mpv to play content. Either with video (and in PiP mode if you like), or audio-only (which I generally prefer).

wutbrodo 7y ago

> Separately, worth mentioning, is the fact that the idea of introducing purposeful limitations deliberately to get people to pay more is also evil (I can play YouTube on my desktop and switch tabs, and on iOS for ex. it stops playback so you can buy YouTube Red). This is a fascinating claim to me. Selling access to a service is presumably okay, but having a limited-features version available for free use is "evil"?

shakna 7y ago
It isn't the access to the service that is evil. Rather, that you get a lesser service on a different platform unless you pay. Consumers expect the same experience regardless of platform. When that experience is free on some platforms but paid on another, it frustrates.
- rusk 7y ago
  ability to use on different platforms = a feature
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Feature or bug, that's ultimately up for the market to decide.
    - rusk 7y ago
      Pretty sure the market has adjudicated on YouTube at this stage LOL
  - chownie 7y ago
    It's weird to me to call this a feature, a few years ago it was a given. YouTube had to go out of their way to break playback on mobile to offer this "feature". I consider it a bug they've added purposefully and they request each user pay for.
    - rusk 7y ago
      It demands that engineeting resources are set aside and costed i each case. Both for implemtation and maintenance. It is definitely a feature whether youd been getting it for free up to now or not

dredmorbius 7y ago

That click-away behaviour is easily addressed by using VLC or mpv to play content. Either with video (and in PiP mode if you like), or audio-only (which I generally prefer).